I just love my "Brownells latigo sling" like the one pictured on the 1st page with the hunting rifle.Quick to use but don't cut the extra leather off like the instructions say until your sure it needs to be shorter !!!
Using a sling on your Black Rifle
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Thanks for that. The guitar comment was a nice touch.
I'm not new to slings or their deployment.
The point I was making (which eludes to the fact that not all sling attachment or carry methods are ideally suited to any given situation - and therefore not as you say, objectively right or wrong), was that the 'patrol carry' method (or whatever you want to call it) is a viable solution for a few different reasons and should not be overlooked just because it isn't the ideal carry for one to transition to their 'secondary' or fashionable with the tactical crowd.
(curious and not part of the discussion, but as a Patricia when was the last time you actually carried a side arm with a rifle that you needed to transition to?)
Off the top of my head a few reasons to carry with it under the strong side:
A) It is less likely to shift the sling into the shoulder pocket between the shoulder and rifle butt on mounting the gun. Even if you try to mitigate it with locating the sling termination somewhere else on the stock. Pretty important if you are in a situation where snap shooting occurs and proper eye relief counts.
B) far more comfortable to wear for long periods with heavy loads and/or other loads on the shoulders.
C) far easier and quicker to transition the gun to behind the back if use of both arms with no obstruction in front of you is important.
Some drawback are the sweeping aspect Farmboy mentioned, and depending on sling terminations has a tendency to ride the rifle in a horizontal position.
Not really suited to transitioning to a sidearm, but is do-able.
As with anything it is a tool in the toolbox - use it or don't use it, ymmv.
LOL.
Please note though I make exceptions for the C9/6
True... if I can get my hands on a C9 I will make the same exception.
Although it usually goes something like this, “Hey man check out my sling, I’ll show you how it works.” Friend: “I know how a sling works, give me that.” Puts it on. Me: “Dude, that’s how you sling a guitar, I am sure you can see how that may not be safe in these circumstances.”
Not sure if you covered it, as I am still taking in all your advise, but some tips on proper sling adjustment would be helpful. It took me about 3 hours of playing around to get my VCAS adjusted just right. Then again I may have just been playing around.
Thanks for that. The guitar comment was a nice touch.
I'm not new to slings or their deployment.
The point I was making (which eludes to the fact that not all sling attachment or carry methods are ideally suited to any given situation - and therefore not as you say, objectively right or wrong), was that the 'patrol carry' method (or whatever you want to call it) is a viable solution for a few different reasons and should not be overlooked just because it isn't the ideal carry for one to transition to their 'secondary' or fashionable with the tactical crowd.
(curious and not part of the discussion, but as a Patricia when was the last time you actually carried a side arm with a rifle that you needed to transition to?)
Off the top of my head a few reasons to carry with it under the strong side:
A) It is less likely to shift the sling into the shoulder pocket between the shoulder and rifle butt on mounting the gun. Even if you try to mitigate it with locating the sling termination somewhere else on the stock. Pretty important if you are in a situation where snap shooting occurs and proper eye relief counts.
B) far more comfortable to wear for long periods with heavy loads and/or other loads on the shoulders.
C) far easier and quicker to transition the gun to behind the back if use of both arms with no obstruction in front of you is important.
Some drawback are the sweeping aspect Farmboy mentioned, and depending on sling terminations has a tendency to ride the rifle in a horizontal position.
Not really suited to transitioning to a sidearm, but is do-able.
As with anything it is a tool in the toolbox - use it or don't use it, ymmv.
The sling riding between butt and shoulder when mounting is annoying but not a serious issue. If you're snap shooting its at relatively close range and absolute precision is not required, not to mention the additional LOP created by the sling is not and should not be enough to destroy a good sight picture.
I do agree that any method and all methods have their uses and should not necessarily be ignored because its not the latest trend.
TDC
Hey,
Do you have a picture demonstrating this? I'm trying to picture it in my mind... Is the Two Point Adjustable sling the same thing as the Blue Force Gear Vickers sling?
If so which do you prefer? The standard sling or the one with the QD swivels sewn into them?
whenindoubtfixit
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Demo video on BFG site.
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I'm inclined to agree with this as well... I use a single point bungee style with the Tavor and RFB when I'm out hunting or hiking. I tried it with a few AR's and I didn't really like how much movement I experienced when walking. i generally go single point for bullpups, SBR'S, and PDW's, and everything else is adjustable 2 point.
Yes, the BFG Vickers Combat Application Sling (VCAS) is one of the Two Point Adjustable slings on the market, and it's all I use at this time.
I do have a QD on the front and back of mine. Not really by preference, but because of the sling options on my AR. Preference probably played a part though.
If you go to youtube there are quite a few videos on the VCAS. In a couple of the videos we've done lately, like my one on Blue Force Gear, it shows me doing shoulder transitions as well. There is a good one Grey Group put out as well for left handed shooters.
Clobbersauras
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- Waaay out west.
Here's that video Earl mentioned. He was discussing transitions and sling use during a One Shot Tactical Rifle operators course. (see...this is just a snip-it of the types of things you learn at courses...)
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Unregistered_
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VCAS or VTAC?
Is the issue with movement while walking using a single point, is the rifle just hanging off the sling or are you holding it with your hands as well?
I kind of think that a single point will meet my needs because my trigger hand only ever comes off my rifle if I'm transitioning to my pistol. Even if I'm at the range standing around bulls**tting, I wouldn't let my rifle hang off the sling.
So, would a single point on a 20" AR with the A2 stock be useful for the transition to pistol, or am I at pretty high risk of the muzzle contacting the ground? With my two point on the CZ 858, or the three point on one of my m14s, I still always use my weak hand to direct where the rifle is going as I draw single handed, once the rifle is in a good spot the weak hand comes up to support the pistol.
I like the idea of a single point, because I only would have to get the adapter that gives you a loop in between the stock and the receiver for a clasp to attach to. I really don't want to add anything to the fore end of the rifle if at all possible, I really dislike how untidy a wrap around the hand guard or an adapter clamped to the barrel looks.
I kind of think that a single point will meet my needs because my trigger hand only ever comes off my rifle if I'm transitioning to my pistol. Even if I'm at the range standing around bulls**tting, I wouldn't let my rifle hang off the sling.
So, would a single point on a 20" AR with the A2 stock be useful for the transition to pistol, or am I at pretty high risk of the muzzle contacting the ground? With my two point on the CZ 858, or the three point on one of my m14s, I still always use my weak hand to direct where the rifle is going as I draw single handed, once the rifle is in a good spot the weak hand comes up to support the pistol.
I like the idea of a single point, because I only would have to get the adapter that gives you a loop in between the stock and the receiver for a clasp to attach to. I really don't want to add anything to the fore end of the rifle if at all possible, I really dislike how untidy a wrap around the hand guard or an adapter clamped to the barrel looks.
Clobbersauras
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- Waaay out west.
At the course Earl taught above I was using a Magpul MS2 sling. During a drill, I transitioned to my pistol, took a knee, and promptly dug the muzzle of my rifle into the dirt. Single points are fast and easy to use if you never have to give up control of the rifle, otherwise they have limitations.
I always recommend the VCAS. I know of a couple of VTAC's that broke at the wrong time.
Yup, your fine with that. You already have it built in that you control the firearm/muzzle with your weak arm.
You just have to be aware of the muzzle when taking a knee.
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- East ontario
Clobb , very well said.
The issue is for many, untill you really start using you long gun and sling many see no faults or issues with the single point system
As stated it has its place, but for most of us a good ajustable 2 point is whats needed.
I allso agree that the 3 point is dead, that is unless your still rocking the MP5, then keep rockin
The UDC sling looks like it would meet my needs, but do you have an A2 Receiver end plate sling adapter that would work well with that sling? Also, I would need the SOC-C adapter to go with the end plate.
Brownells has a Daniel Defense sling adapter that looks pretty good too: (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=24161/Product/AR-15-M16-A1-A2-SLING-ADAPTERS)
I was considering one of these VCAS slings for a mini-14 and/or an 870.
Both these guns have bottom mounts.. should I consider something different?
CDN Enforcer
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Some of you debating 2 point adjustable vs. 1 point need to look at this!
It's the best of both worlds. It's quick and easy. It works on your current favourite sling using QD (quick disconnect) swivels.
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Hope it helps.
