Using oil to kill primers... Myth?

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Sometimes while reloading it becomes necessary for one reason or another to remove a live primer. I've had to do this after buying fired brass that was primed with an unknown primer, or wanting to use normal primers after installing magnum primers.

One way to do it is to simply fire the primed brass with no bullet, however this is only practical if you can do it outside. No can do in a subdivision. So I had been told by several sources just to put some gun oil in the cases, leave me for a day or to, and decap them. The gun oil will ruin the primer so there is no chance of it going off while decapping. I believed this and used it a few times with nothing bad happening, until I recommended this to someone on CGN and was tod that it was a myth. That the primers will still detonate even if left in oil for a day or two.

So two days ago I took CCI LR, CCI LRM, Federal LR and Rem 9.5 primers. I took 6 of each of these primers, 2 of each were saturated with G 96, 2 in Hoppes #9, and 2 in 5W-20 motor oil. I left them for two days, then put them in cases and fired those primed cases.

G-96 resulted 4 complete duds, 1 very weak firing (barely audible), and 3 weak firings (audible but nowhere near a normal primer going off, maybe 20% normal strength.)

Hoppes #9 resulted in all 8 primers being complete duds.

Motor oil resulted in 2 complete duds and 6 very weak firings.

Both CCI types and Remington performed similairly, with motor oil giving very weak firings, Hoppes giving duds and G 96 giving a mix of duds and weak/very weak firings.

Federal primers were all duds across the board with all substances.

Conclusions: all substances resulted in firings that would not be dangerous if they happened during decapping, but Hoppes # 9 was the most effective in killing primers. Federal primers are more easily killed from contamination than the others. A larger sample size would be better, but who wants to waste that many primers?
 
It's a primer not a grenade just go slow and pop it out...

I know when going slow nothing should happen, however a search of the net will show some examples of primers going off when they shouldn't, and the results are often surprising. I'd rather kill em.
 
"...a search of the net will show..." "Hey, Bubba, watch this!" You can find all kinds of video of idiots at work. There's no need to 'kill' primers.
"...wanting to use normal primers after installing magnum primers..." Daft reason to ruin a prefectly good primer.
 
Why do people always have to be so critical and set in what they know (read : think) to be right?

This person invested their own time and their own money to investigate something of interest to them. Then they were nice enough to share the results with you.

If you disagree, go do your own research, if you don't think it applies to you, then don't make use of it. The OP wasn't advocating a course of action in his post, simply pointing out that oil kills primers. If you don't like to do that to your primers, fine... but that's not relevant to what was said in the first place.

Thanks Cam, appreciate you doing some testing. This may or may not prove useful to me, but it's great that you went and did this.
 
Why do people always have to be so critical and set in what they know (read : think) to be right?

This person invested their own time and their own money to investigate something of interest to them. Then they were nice enough to share the results with you.

If you disagree, go do your own research, if you don't think it applies to you, then don't make use of it. The OP wasn't advocating a course of action in his post, simply pointing out that oil kills primers. If you don't like to do that to your primers, fine... but that's not relevant to what was said in the first place.

Thanks Cam, appreciate you doing some testing. This may or may not prove useful to me, but it's great that you went and did this.

:agree:

Personally I have decapped literally hundreds of live primers and have never had a detonation. Going slow with steady pressure is the key. However, this is good info for those who want to kill primers & I appreciate his time & effort in doing the testing. Hoppes - whodda thunk it. :eek:
 
This person invested their own time and their own money to investigate something of interest to them. Then they were nice enough to share the results with you.

So did I. I bought a decapping die and carefully popped out 40 lr primers from brass I don't plan to use in the near future. No oil, and no hole in my roof or press stabbed into my face. I also use it when a primer pocket won't take a primer and gets mashed. Primers that went in fine are reusable. Now settle down.
 
"...a search of the net will show..." "Hey, Bubba, watch this!" You can find all kinds of video of idiots at work. There's no need to 'kill' primers.
"...wanting to use normal primers after installing magnum primers..." Daft reason to ruin a prefectly good primer.


My pet load for my .280 shows pressure signs with magnum primers and none with standard large rifle. So no it is not a "daft" reason. Whether or not one kills the primers is not the debate here. I'm just showing results of a test that is relevant if one wants to kill primers.
 
i did the same thing with water and most were dudes or as you said a very light bang, what i meant to try but didn't is what would happen if you let them "dry" for a few weeks. water would evaporate, not sure about the oil.
 
You need to complete the test by leaving them in the oil for the two days, removing them and not trying to fire them right away - this time wait two days. You'll find that they were not permanently disabled.
 
I just use the gun to deactivate primers. Its no louder then dropping a hardcover dictionary on a tile floor form 4 feet. I can clap louder then a primer lol.

This is the very sure method I use, Chamber then fire them off one by one. Then you know for sure that they are safe.
 
I too have decapped hundreds of live primers without incident, not even sure if it is possible to set a primer off in "reverse" so to speak. But I too appreciate the time and effort if for no other reason than the knowlege.
 
The oil method sounds kind of messy, I like the advice about slow and steady.

Messy I would agree. I just deprime by slow and steady pressure, no oil. If one chooses the oil method CLEAN YOUR BRASS WELL !! I dispose of our ranges unwanted and misfired ammo. I have seen many oil contaminated powder charges after the bullet was pulled I would suspect some oil contamination came from case lube not just intentional oil. The powder didn't ignite (I don't check the primer if it lit or not).
 
On a side note, I had a 1000 count box of really old primers given to me. I sat them on the wood pile and shot the box lengthwise with a 17HMR, holy frak, quite the explosion!
 
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