USPSA MultiGun in Canada

[7.62mm]

Wondering if there would be interest in shooters from all provinces to start up MultiGun, with an eye on someday having Provincials and Nationals. I realize there are a lot of different ways people will interpret "MultiGun", but USPSA seems to have a pretty big following in the US, and they have a comprehensive Rule set that can be adopted here quite easily, keeping in mind Mag restrictions etc.

Here are the USPSA Multigun Rules


Let me know what you think, maybe there is a better rule set to follow, or better Model to take on.

 

[stormbringer]

I am still trying to get my mind wrapped around the scoring sytem........

 

[Onagoth]

From what I understand, there are as many different version of multigun rules as there are clubs running multigun matches.

I'm not too picky either way, the rules are the rules. The best part would be to develop a large following, then it will take off.

 

[7.62mm]

From what I understand, there are as many different version of multigun rules as there are clubs running multigun matches.

I'm not too picky either way, the rules are the rules. The best part would be to develop a large following, then it will take off.

And this is why I thought of adopting USPSA Rules, we are relatively new into the MultiGun game in Canada, lets start something with an already comprehensive rule package!

 

[7.62mm]

The only downfall that I can see, is every club would need 10 members in order to become an affiliate USPSA Member Club!

That could be a big stumbling block for many!

I should contact the USPSA body and find out if this is set in stone!

 

[7.62mm]

I am still trying to get my mind wrapped around the scoring sytem........

It seems BIG...there are a lot of variations!

 

[philproulx]

membership issue

The only downfall that I can see, is every club would need 10 members in order to become an affiliate USPSA Member Club!

That could be a big stumbling block for many!

I should contact the USPSA body and find out if this is set in stone!

7.62mm

you could be member of my club ....wink wink.....i can be a member of your club and same time be a member of onagoth and stormbrigner club....they will never know....i hope not

 

[667]

The only downfall that I can see, is every club would need 10 members in order to become an affiliate USPSA Member Club!

Then why bother with affiliation...?
It's not like they'll come up here and kick our ass for starting our own thing. And... I can't see many American USPSA shooters flocking across the border to shoot our matches anyway.

Maybe I'm spoiled from shooting 3-gun in the states, but I think at best we can only pull off a watered down version.. At least here in Ontario.
I can think of only a couple o'three clubs that have the facilities to pull off a deceant match.. Couple that with all the CFO bulls**t and the self imposed nonsense we are forced to deal with and well... I'm not optomistic.

I hope I'm proven wrong and totally pwned on this though

Here's the rules for BRM... Pretty simple.

http://www.brm3g.com/index_files/Page571.htm

 

[D_]

I wanna see this get popular. Very interested in participating.

Why the USPSA rule set? Seems it's not the most popular in the states. Mainly because they were behind on the rule sets and are playing catch-up there. Even if we go with that rule book why would we have to be affiliated? Unethical use of rulebook? Also not pushing for us not to go that way as I am a life member.

 

[7.62mm]

Then why bother with affiliation...?

The only reason I would do this, or want to do this, is to get the sponsorship.
People like prizes.....We have some Companies in Canada that would likely step up, but we could surely pull from the US market as well.....amazingly, there are US companies that see our plight, and want to help

It's not like they'll come up here and kick our ass for starting our own thing. And... I can't see many American USPSA shooters flocking across the border to shoot our matches anyway.

Agreed...why would a shooter want to come here and shoot, Mag Restrictions etc....But, with an eye on Provincial and National Championships, we would be pulling from the US and the World for titles and sponserships....there are Americans, amazingly enough that see our plight, and would be willing to travel and support us....we just need to ask the right way......money!

Maybe I'm spoiled from shooting 3-gun in the states, but I think at best we can only pull off a watered down version.. At least here in Ontario.
I can think of only a couple o'three clubs that have the facilities to pull off a deceant match.. Couple that with all the CFO bulls**t and the self imposed nonsense we are forced to deal with and well... I'm not optomistic.

I know where you are coming from.....my limited exposure to shooting in the US, sure does put a damper on ambitions......there is no doubt that a fairly large facility needs to be employed to put on a decent 3 Gun event....there are 4 or 5 Ontario Clubs that could pull it off, but for bigger stuff, we might...and I mean this very optimistically.....might be able to convince a Military base to host larger events.......why would they not want to further their training like they do in the US! Maybe they just need to be approached!

I hope I'm proven wrong and totally pwned on this though

Me to....hopefully you can help out to make it a reality!

 

[Onagoth]

Canadian mutli-gun would pale in comparison to many of the matches in the US....but it would still be a lot of fun and has the advantage of being right close to home.

Mag changes would be more frequent, but no one practices these enough anyways

 

[raks]

We have multigun matches in Manitoba at a few different clubs, and the interest seems to be growing. A common rule set could help, but I don't know how many people would really affiliate as members.

 

[7.62mm]

Here's the rules for BRM... Pretty simple.

http://www.brm3g.com/index_files/Page571.htm

That is a pretty good rule set as well......was looking at that already, I want to go to this match

The only problem I see is he Firearm Classification system.......What if a guy has an Open Pistol Tactical Shotgun and Iron Sighted rifle....what division does he/she shoot in?

 

[667]

The only reason I would do this, or want to do this, is to get the sponsorship.
People like prizes.....We have some Companies in Canada that would likely step up, but we could surely pull from the US market as well.....amazingly, there are US companies that see our plight, and want to help

I'm still not convinced... Shooting isn't as "main stream" a sport in Canada. You saw what happened with EESA's attempted donation to a school. 'Seen as tainted money because it was raised by shooting...
And I don't think the market is large enough to attract significant prizage... I mean really... At our (what we'd call large) matches they make a big deal outta raffling off a box of bullets.
If I'm off base... f**kin' great!

Agreed...why would a shooter want to come here and shoot, Mag Restrictions etc....But, with an eye on Provincial and National Championships, we would be pulling from the US and the World for titles and sponserships....there are Americans, amazingly enough that see our plight, and would be willing to travel and support us....we just need to ask the right way......money!

Well... from my conversations with Americans and Canadian ex-pats living in the US I tend to think they'll stay in the US where the best events are and they have next to no hassle getting to.
Colour me pessimistic...

there are 4 or 5 Ontario Clubs that could pull it off, but for bigger stuff, we might...and I mean this very optimistically.....might be able to convince a Military base to host larger events.......why would they not want to further their training lie they do in the US! Maybe they just need to be approached!

I doubt DND would ever entertain civvies runnin' and gunnin' a-la 3-gun on their property. Hell, even at Ft Benning it was uncertain another 3-gun would happen. JAG identified potential problems which happily got worked out, but... It took some legal creativity.
US Army has their marksmanship unit which goes out and actively promotes shooting sports... Not exactly a politically correct thing to do here.

Also... we'd likely get bogged down in regulating who can even play... Holster qualification, rifle qualification etc... Someones gonna demand a "course" be completed just to come out and shoot.
Or.. and existing org will take up the mantle and #### it all up...

hopefully you can help out to make it a reality!

Well... I'm willing to offer suggestions/brainstorm and report back ideas stolen from all the matches I plan on shooting this year from Michigan to Georgia

 

[667]

That is a pretty good rule set as well......was looking at that already, I want to go to this match

Get signed up then... Team Hoser is going as well as a couple o'three other Cannucks...

The only problem I see is he Firearm Classification system.......What if a guy has an Open Pistol Tactical Shotgun and Iron Sighted rifle....what division does he/she shoot in?

I believe he'd be placed in open or.... Pick a goddamn division and bring the guns that fit

 

[7.62mm]

I doubt DND would ever entertain civvies runnin' and gunnin' a-la 3-gun on their property. Hell, even at Ft Benning it was uncertain another 3-gun would happen. JAG identified potential problems which happily got worked out, but... It took some legal creativity.
US Army has their marksmanship unit which goes out and actively promotes shooting sports... Not exactly a politically correct thing to do here.

Well, the thing is, civilians have been doing Service Rifle on DND Ranges for a number of years now......the precedent is already set!

 

[7.62mm]

I believe he'd be placed in open or.... Pick a goddamn division and bring the guns that fit

I am working on it....just the God damn people that I want to go with are humming and hawwing .......babies.......money.....wives.......blah....blah....blah........!!!!!!

 

[667]

Well, the thing is, civilians have been doing Service Rifle on DND Ranges for a number of years now......the precedent is already set!

No disrespect, but... Service rifle is nowhere near 3-gun in it's intensity. It's snoozville by comparison. And it's what... two age old orgs.. DCRA and ORA?
And despite what DND might say I doubt there would be any tears shed by the brass if these orgs dried up and blew away...


What I've seen is more orgs/shoots moving or rather being moved off of DND ranges... For example OLEAA hasn't held their match on a DND range since 2006(?).. 'Moved to a private facility.
The group I used toi shoot with at Winona... Basically told the range is no longer avail. I've tried contacting the DND people involved... They don't return calls.

I hate to come off like I'm ####tin' all over this.. Not being critical of anyones ideas, just spouting my own negative outlook...

 

[667]

I am working on it....just the God damn people that I want to go with are humming and hawwing .......babies.......money.....wives.......blah....blah....blah........!!!!!!

Some people have screwed up priorities eh...

 

[7.62mm]

Yep....I know....did a CQB thing 2 years ago....wasn't what I expected


Anyways, has anyone ever approached them?

I feel your negativity.......been there done that....understand where it is coming from........maybe......just maybe......the DND....is the key we need?

Is the Top brass of DND so full of itself, that it couldn't see that Civilian Competition could improve its training?

No disrespect, but... Service rifle is nowhere near 3-gun in it's intensity. It's snoozville by comparison. And it's what... two age old orgs.. DCRA and ORA?
And despite what DND might say I doubt there would be any tears shed by the brass if these orgs dried up and blew away...


What I've seen is more orgs/shoots moving or rather being moved off of DND ranges... For example OLEAA hasn't held their match on a DND range since 2006(?).. 'Moved to a private facility.
The group I used toi shoot with at Winona... Basically told the range is no longer avail. I've tried contacting the DND people involved... They don't return calls.

I hate to come off like I'm s**ttin' all over this.. Not being critical of anyones ideas, just spouting my own negative outlook...