Utilizing the Gutless method in Ontario

Potashminer said:
Maybe should add to your list of parts to take to include the tenderloins from inside / underside of the spine??
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That's exactly true,the best part of the meat besides the heart. We never use the Alaskan method at our camp because of it's extreme remote location. In our experience,we completely field dress the animal at the kill site leaving the hide on and the carcass intact to protect meat. We've found it better to hang the carcass at the camp with tags attached for easy inspection by CO's. After breaking camp,we've found it much easier to handle carcasses intact due to the tediousness of the trip out on ATV's or snow machines.
 
coleman1495 said:
So what happens if its a fawn with non existent antlers?
In Alberta it’s either or.
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BC

A person must, while returning from hunting, keep the antlers or horns, naturally attached to a portion of the upper skull, of wildlife killed during an antler/horn restricted season (e.g., 6 pt, full curl, spike-fork, etc.) and the species licence under which the wildlife was killed, together and available for inspection by an officer. Note - it is an offence to alter or tamper with antlers/horns of wildlife taken during an antler/horn restricted season (see the "it's unlawfull" section).

For deer, the unskinned tail, AND:
i.
If the animal is male, a testicle or part of the #####,
ii.
If the animal is female, a portion of the udder and teats.




Who shoots fawns?

If it is a spike buck you need to also retain the skull cap with spikes.
 
Paul_T said:
BC

A person must, while returning from hunting, keep the antlers or horns, naturally attached to a portion of the upper skull, of wildlife killed during an antler/horn restricted season (e.g., 6 pt, full curl, spike-fork, etc.) and the species licence under which the wildlife was killed, together and available for inspection by an officer. Note - it is an offence to alter or tamper with antlers/horns of wildlife taken during an antler/horn restricted season (see the "it's unlawfull" section).

For deer, the unskinned tail, AND:
i.
If the animal is male, a testicle or part of the #####,
ii.
If the animal is female, a portion of the udder and teats.




Who shoots fawns?

If it is a spike buck you need to also retain the skull cap with spikes.
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Sure but the antlers might not even be protruding the fur.
For instance, my buddy shot a fawn last year. It was his last chance otherwise the tag is wasted. It was shot under a general tag so good for either.
I thought it was a doe until I started skinning then realized it had a #####. Turns out it had tiny antlers that didn’t even protrude the fur.
 
coleman1495 said:
Sure but the antlers might not even be protruding the fur.
For instance, my buddy shot a fawn last year. It was his last chance otherwise the tag is wasted. It was shot under a general tag so good for either.
I thought it was a doe until I started skinning then realized it had a #####. Turns out it had tiny antlers that didn’t even protrude the fur.
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In BC a spike buck has nubs less than 1". If they were not protruding to show it was a spiker here you'd need the cap and nubs AFAIK. Plus the ##### or testicles
 
coleman1495 said:
Sure but the antlers might not even be protruding the fur.
For instance, my buddy shot a fawn last year. It was his last chance otherwise the tag is wasted. It was shot under a general tag so good for either.
I thought it was a doe until I started skinning then realized it had a #####. Turns out it had tiny antlers that didn’t even protrude the fur.
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Alberta that would be an antlerless deer

antlers under 4" count as antlerless
 
woodchopper said:
Alberta that would be an antlerless deer

antlers under 4" count as antlerless
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Makes good sense. Some years ago in Saskatchewan, at a checkpoint at a ranch in Southern Sask, a CO was overheard telling another hunting party, "anter-less means NO ANTLERS" - so that particular guy gave no leeway, at all. No doubt with that Alberta rule - unless very defined process to measure - some doofus will claim their 4 1/8" tine meets the intent of that Alberta rule, for being "antler-less" ...

As far as what you can see - with a Sask antler-less mule deer tag - I had a mule deer perhaps 100 feet away - in a poplar stand - mostly it was broad side, neck turned and looking at me - I deliberately looked between the ears through my scope for antlers - nope - did not see any, looked at rear end - definitely mule deer, not white tail - so I shot it. And discovered 2" and 3" tines when I walked up to it, on the ground ... In hind sight, I should have realized there was no way, at all, that I was that good at moving in the bush - to get that close to a mule deer doe of that size, and with no other deer noticed, before or after the shot ...
 
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coleman1495 said:
Sure but the antlers might not even be protruding the fur.
For instance, my buddy shot a fawn last year. It was his last chance otherwise the tag is wasted. It was shot under a general tag so good for either.
I thought it was a doe until I started skinning then realized it had a #####. Turns out it had tiny antlers that didn’t even protrude the fur.
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Anyone that shoots a fawn should seriously reevaluate what they are doing out there, what did he get a baseball sized roast and a couple hamburger patties?

In bc the majority of the regions I’ve looked at for mule deer are 4pt or greater, some regions or mu’s have an any buck window for a bit. For whitetail it’s any buck, so no point restrictions that I’ve seen in the 3 regions I’m in or close to. I don’t know a single person that shoots fawns, for good reason I might add.

So it’s a moot point if you’re any sort of an ethical hunter, I’m sure I’m not the only one that looks at it like this. Hell I’ll let mature does go that have yearlings with them, plenty of single does and bucks around. I have no problem shooting does but if I cross paths with a big buck I have no problem giving the does a pass for another year.
 
Butcherbill said:
Anyone that shoots a fawn should seriously reevaluate what they are doing out there, what did he get a baseball sized roast and a couple hamburger patties?

In bc the majority of the regions I’ve looked at for mule deer are 4pt or greater, some regions or mu’s have an any buck window for a bit. For whitetail it’s any buck, so no point restrictions that I’ve seen in the 3 regions I’m in or close to. I don’t know a single person that shoots fawns, for good reason I might add.

So it’s a moot point if you’re any sort of an ethical hunter, I’m sure I’m not the only one that looks at it like this. Hell I’ll let mature does go that have yearlings with them, plenty of single does and bucks around. I have no problem shooting does but if I cross paths with a big buck I have no problem giving the does a pass for another year.
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well in some zones where they give out spare tags for population control, like my back yard, where I get a general whitetail good for bucks or antlerless plus 2 supplemental antlerless only and then 2 more deer any species antlerless, and a mulie general tag, I don't mind shooting a fawn or 2

you hunt your zones
 
This thread has certainly progressed, hadn’t had a chance to check in because of work the last few days.


We are specifically hunting bears, which makes no difference, on a do it yourself hunt. My thought with the gutless method is that it will require less hauling carcasses around in the single truck we are using which is also where my two bird dogs will be when we are bird hunting during the same trip.

Except for the easier cuts I expect we will grind most of the meat for sausage or deliver to a processor in quarters. I understand the hide does have to be retrieved in the case of a black bear.
 
Turkeyslayer 1300 said:
This thread has certainly progressed, hadn’t had a chance to check in because of work the last few days.


We are specifically hunting bears, which makes no difference, on a do it yourself hunt. My thought with the gutless method is that it will require less hauling carcasses around in the single truck we are using which is also where my two bird dogs will be when we are bird hunting during the same trip.

Except for the easier cuts I expect we will grind most of the meat for sausage or deliver to a processor in quarters. I understand the hide does have to be retrieved in the case of a black bear.
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ah for bear that make it easier

In Alberta you would keep the hide and head, tag could go in the ear, that is the easiest way to tag them, wrap it all up into a neat package. And if the CO stops you its easy to show that the tag is attached and the ### of animal. Had a CO a few year back that was investigating a complaint that someone shot a sow with cubs. bear we had had balls so not a problem.
 
Butcherbill said:
Anyone that shoots a fawn should seriously reevaluate what they are doing out there, what did he get a baseball sized roast and a couple hamburger patties?

In bc the majority of the regions I’ve looked at for mule deer are 4pt or greater, some regions or mu’s have an any buck window for a bit. For whitetail it’s any buck, so no point restrictions that I’ve seen in the 3 regions I’m in or close to. I don’t know a single person that shoots fawns, for good reason I might add.

So it’s a moot point if you’re any sort of an ethical hunter, I’m sure I’m not the only one that looks at it like this. Hell I’ll let mature does go that have yearlings with them, plenty of single does and bucks around. I have no problem shooting does but if I cross paths with a big buck I have no problem giving the does a pass for another year.
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Yeah theres not much meat, maybe 2 grocery bags full. We cooked the back straps and tenderloins the next night as tasty little medallions. It was a lot tastier than a spoiled tag.
As for ethics, thats your opinion. There is an abundance of whitetail on my property. I couldn’t care less about one fewer fawn before winter. I am well aware of how many animals are on my property and I’ll manage that myself thank you.
 
Trimmer 905 said:
In Ontario,It's an offense to allow usable game meat to spoil. The "gutless" method or the Alaskan method is a legal means to field dress game meat in Ontario. Take all four quarters,the hide plus the head and we're good to go.
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You need to take the hide in Ontario? That's a little odd. in NS they prefer for you to leave the hide where you killed the deer to prevent the spreading of ticks.
 
Paul_T said:
In BC a spike buck has nubs less than 1". If they were not protruding to show it was a spiker here you'd need the cap and nubs AFAIK. Plus the ##### or testicles
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not to argue.... but from how understand things....a spike buck in BC would be a buck with More than 1" of antler. I was under the impression that it was not legal to take a buck with less than 1" of antler. In all the scenarios in the regs concerning antlers, points less than 1" are not considered tines. So say on a moose season requiring no less than 10pts (1 antler) all those 10 points must be longer than 1" to count under that antler requirement. Same goes for a 4pt mule deer season, the points must all measure over an inch to count.(one side)

as for the gutless method, haven't tried it but I can see how it would be useful for packing out in tough terrain. I am not sure how to apply the regulations in BC as far as identifying items that must be intact when the animal has been boned out so I haven't bothered to try. The standard way serves me well enough
 
BigUglyMan said:
You need to take the hide in Ontario? That's a little odd. in NS they prefer for you to leave the hide where you killed the deer to prevent the spreading of ticks.
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No, you don't. Deer typically come out of the bush in one piece in Ontario, so it's standard practice to leave the hide on for cleanliness, but it's not a legal requirement.
 
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