Valmet hunters
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Heres how the Valmet should look , This is the best AK variant rifle ever made.. hands down ..
No question about that.
I sprayed coffee out my nose when I read this. Would canada manufacture the C7/C8 rifles and then buy norinco AR's to use instead? I think not. I do not see the finns using chinese crap when they have their own high quality rifles in their own back yard. Any references?
You can spray coffee out your nose all you want,
what Deckard said is the reality.
The Finns legally had to stop the production
of several models of Valmet.
But to satisfy their ongoing military requirements,
they bought Chinese AK's and parts.
And BTW, I have seen and used the Chinese ones they bought,
they are not crap at all.
For references, the internet is free.
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I watched a guy respond with derision when a fellow shooter asked if his valmet was a CZ, then shot 4" groups like the fellow who asked (with his sks I might add). Rude, but funny when the sks guy saw his groups. Whatever floats your boat. I don't see them selling like hotcakes though, so the prices seem high, but obviously the owners like them enough to keep them, rather than sell them cheaper.
The mistake we tend to make is to judge Chinese goods by the ones we see, unfortunately the ones we see are the ones bought to meet a price point - the Chinese are capable of making any quality you want, they get a bad rap because we choose the cheapest stuff they make.
Thats it exactly, China has a huge industry sector that north america cannot match. their labour, materials, tooling and shipping is so cheap, mass production is what they do best. Pay for cheap stuff and get cheap stuff, pony up for quality and you got it. So many of our products come from there and the main reason for that is to provide a product at the lowest possible price. Low price = low quality. And just out of curiosity, could the Valmet owners please explain what puts their rifles in such a high league compared to rifles like the VZ? Is it fit and finish, accuracy, reliability? Is it like a very expensive hunting rifle vs. a sporting rifle? I always hear valmet owners acting like their rifles are too good to discuss infront of a VZ58, so why is that?
Haha, crappy free wifi where I am at for a few weeks, so I am assuming it would have something to do with selling off tooling/blueprints/rights to israelis for the galil? Hey, I learned something new today, cool.
You mention using the ones the finns bought, were you in the finnish army by any chance? I only ask out of curiosity as my old man served over there before he immigrated.
My best friends 19 yr. old. anti-gun girlfriend can draw that distinction, I just want to know what makes a Valmet so much better? Now Ive seen alot of comparisons around here in which a clear winner is chosen, but never have I seen owners of the winner act like their gun doesnt even belong in the same sentence as the lesser. Is it like a custom hunting rifle vs. shelf-grade hunting rifle kind of deal? What is it?
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I'm guessing you didn't go to school for economics...
Ar180shooter
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What's the difference between a Savage Axis and Sako M85?
They both work, and they both shoot well, but they're not in the same league.
So theyre prettier?
Thats what all the hype is about? (aside from the NR AK action and rarity, of course) I'll stick with my CZ hahaUSSR selling AK technology to a non-communist country
in the middle of the Cold War speaks volumes about
the game of political chess that is hard to understand by the most,
even if in this particular case it was partial technology.
But the Russian license, like almost any license, was time limited.
After the due date, the Finns had to either make more payments
or stop production of the models incorporating said technology.
Because they were not allowed to buy
small arms technology (among other things)
from NATO countries, they chose to go for a while
with their own designs based on the AK, but those home-brewed
were very cost prohibitive and their gov cut their allowance.
They sold (and even traded) some of the
"independently" developed technology to Israel.
For their own needs, they looked for the cheapest of the
pure-bred AK they could find.
The Finn requirement was formulated that
the gun should best ressemble the Russian AK,
which they needed and wanted since the 50's.
Type 56 was the one that best met the requirement
(specific small mods were made).
Type 56 was started by the Chinese in the 50's and 60's
under full Russian license/supervision/training.
Remember that the military Type 56 is one of the
higher quality AK variants out there,
not at all "chinese crap" how the internet wannabes
want to make you believe.
The Russian-Chinese license for Type 56 was expired at the time,
but the contract stipulated the Chinese part
could continue to make and even sell the gun indefinitely.
Note that at that particular time, the Finns could have achieved
the Type 81 Chinese (stretched AK) or almost anything
from a very large variety of AK-based weapons,
but they went primarily with
what it was the closest to the real McCoy (but at "budget" prices),
because that was what they wanted.
I did not serve in the Fin army,
I only worked with them for a while.
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^^Fascinating post Doc.
I recently sold my Valmet Hunter .308. I listed it on the EE and it sold quickly. I imported this rifle from the US in January 2011 and sold it now less than a year later. So to anyone who thinks you can't export a .308 hunter from the US, maybe be quiet instead of spouting off about something you don't know about. It was a very reliable rifle and nothing compares to the fun of racking an AK bolt, especially a long one in 308! I ended up selling it because I found I didn't shoot it all that much, it wasn't as fun to shoot as I thought it would be.
Quality is what it boils down to. The quality of machining on the milled valmet AK receiver is top notch. Makes the CZ858's I've handled look and feel like a piece of crap. But of course the price reflects that. Still, you're shooting an AK based firearm, it's not the most accurate thing in the world. Not bad but no better than most other guns out there too. Mostly in this country, you're paying $$$ for them because of the rarity and our stupid laws. They're a lot cheaper in the US which is why I had one brought up.
Quality is what it boils down to. The quality of machining on the milled valmet AK receiver is top notch. Makes the CZ858's I've handled look and feel like a piece of crap. But of course the price reflects that. Still, you're shooting an AK based firearm, it's not the most accurate thing in the world. Not bad but no better than most other guns out there too. Mostly in this country, you're paying $$$ for them because of the rarity and our stupid laws. They're a lot cheaper in the US which is why I had one brought up.
