I had a 14" and it was of a better quality and cycled much nicer than the 4 mag fed grizzlies I've had. I know there are 2 other type mag fed shotguns out there too, a Russian 18.5" hunting type and I think it was an MP3 or something like that, also Italian, I forget the maker. The Valtro was a nice gun but the fit and finish still not as nice as a Fabarm or Benelli. Aftermarket was very little a few years back and mags scarce. I don't like fixed pistol grip stocks and I tried to locate the PM-5 folder but was unable to. I think there was an adapter made for Knoxx Stocks, that is a nice combination. The ported barrel was also very dirty but overall as a mag fed design it is still in my opinion quality wise the best that's been here.