Value of a 1859 enfield

Is it still a percussion Enfield or has it been converted to snider 577. breech loading cartridge?

If its a original antique muzzleloader or a antique snider rifle it does -NOT- need to be monitored by the nanny state registration.

If its a modern made repro it has to be registered

As far as to its worth, it depends on condition.

Post some pictures, I would love to see it.

I myself have a original 3 band muzzleloading Enfield coming from the states sometime within the next week or so, I think they are beautiful rifles!!!
 
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It would be worth at least $150. No need to register in some circumstances. Really could use a good description and a few photographs to provide a more accurate answer.
 
Ok guys , I got pics , it's a breach load.

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Looks like a Cadet Carbine (cut-down musket used for drilling), missing firing pin assembly and overall pretty rough condition.
 
It looks to be a Cadet carbine converted from a 3 band long rifle by the Canadian Govt around 1910. Originaly army cadets were issued with cavalry carbines, but there were not enough to go around, so hence the conversion of some of the govt stock of obscolete rifles held in stores.

The cadet carbine was made to look very similar to cav carbine.

Value? Hmmmm, ball park depending on condition $300-500

The firing pin has been assembly has been removed, no doubt to prevent anybody from shooting it. I can see the hammer hammer face is now peened from dry firing many, many times.

Nice find!
 
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First thing you do is clean it, use steel wool and a good oil to take away all the rust inside and out on the metal parts.
"this will take some time but the arm deserves it"

Then repair any damage done to the stock then a few coats of raw linseed oil.

Then you get a firing pin, a spring and a firing pin and spring retainer "looks like a percussion nipple".

Sniders are easy to fix, Canada used them for so long because they are about as robust a arm as can be imagined, perfect for our wilderness and snappy on the parade ground.
 
This is an 1859, so it should have an IRON barrel. They only went to STEEL barrels in 1867, with the Mark III action. Iron barrels are okay, though: the Army did a test on a new one and got 130,000 rounds out of it, using Black powder and cleaning as per Queen's Orders and Regulations. You're okay for a couple of weekends, anyway!

Calibre: .577 Snider
No. of shots: 1
Rate of fire: 18 rounds per minute by actual test

There are very few (legal, moral and non-fattening) things in this world that are more fun than taking a Snider of ANY kind out to the range and letting off a box of ammo!

You get a massive WHUMP! every time you pull the trigger and about an ACRE of blue-white smoke. If you go with a buddy and you have a set of binocs, one of you can actually WATCH the bullet head on down the range: that's how slow they are. They aren't the most accurate of critters (although they can be made into very-near tackdrivers.... if your tacks are big enough) and they are an absolute blast on gallon jugs of water.

For a hunting rifle, you have to get under 100 yards, but that big, slow bullet will flatten anything on this continent. And, if you miss, there is a legend that the Snider bullet digs a big enough hole that your quarry falls into it and breaks its neck!

You can fake up ammo from 24-gauge shotgun brass loaded with 65 gains of Ffg and a 500-grain Minie-style cast bullet (use the Lee oversize .578" mould). Magtech in Brazil makes the brass; Cabela's is supposed to handle it here. Lee Precision makes bullet moulds and reloading dies. See their website for info; Higginson Powders handles a lot of Lee equipment here and generally super service, too.

When shooting a Carbine, whether Cadet (as yours) or Cavalry (as mine), you are in for a real experience. The bullet is so slow that bore time is VERY long..... and the rifling is to the left.... so that Carbine actually TWISTS to the right as the bullet lumbers on down the barrel! Very odd feeling, believe me.... and I have encountered no other rifle that does it.

You have a FINE toy. Get her restored to what she SHOULD be and you, your kids and your grandchildren will have something fun to shoot for the NEXT century and a half!
 
Should have mentioned one little thing.

The Snider conversions began late in 1865, ran through 1866 and into 1867, when the all-new Mark III with the modified action and the steel barrel appeared. The Mark III remained in production until 1872. The Mark III were the only ones actually built from scratch as breechloaders; all the earlier models were muzzleloaders which were converted.

At one time, Snider conversions or new Snider rifles armed half the world, including the whole British Empire (one-quarter of the world right there), Turkey, Denmark, Serbia and several other countries. The Snider was the Kalashnikov of 1870!

And the .577 Snider cartridge was the FIRST military centrefire cartridge in the world. From it spring all others.

YOU own the rifle which started the arms race which stopped for a few years only in 1918... and continues to this day.
 
Restoration

How would I go around restoring this firearm myself? What products should I use? And What steps should I take?

Do you know what most antique gun dealers do to their inventory when they receive it? They do nothing. Perhaps they might wipe it with a very lightly oiled rag to get the dust off, that's it.

It is your rifle to do with as you wish, however, as a collector I would offer up some advice. You have an antique and it should be approached perhaps a little differently to a regular used gun. A lot of its value is in the signs of age that it has gained over the last 100 years. Resist the impulse to scrub it clean and touch it up to make it presentable. It is a nice antique, it doesn't need restoring yet, just some preservation and TLC.

First and foremost, go get a decent screwdriver with interchangeable tips. Get ones which have parallel ground blade tips, get extra. You will find that the screw slots on this carbine are wider and thiner than most screws found today. Be prepared to go as far as grinding the blade thin to fit the whole screw slot. A screwdriver that is not wide enough will leave tell tale marks in the slot. This is a pet beef of mine often leaving me wishing that previous owners had just left things alone.

Take the barrel band off and take out the tang screw, lift out the barrel. First time around, leave the butt plate and lock in place. If you get adventurous later, the lock will come out (at half ####) if you take the two side screws almost out, except for maybe the last 1/8 inch threads. Tap on the screw heads to release and bump the lockplate out of its inletting. I only suggest that you leave it alone cos the inletting is fairly easy to chip out and the sharp square edge that fits up to the metal is easily comprimised. If not very careful, the plate will never fit as close to the wood ever again. Many lockplates look like they have been taken out, its not hard to tell.

Gently clean off the surface gunge and oxidisation from the metal with extra fine steel wool and copious amounts of gun oil, nothing else. Go gently and don't polish, just a light touch. Leave any flaws, pits, stains, just clean it up a bit. Stubborn rust usualy can be scratched off with the use of the mouth of an empty brass cartridge case, have at her!, brass is softer than steel, it won't harm the metal or blue.

With the wood, wipe it down with a soft rag and laquer thinners. If it has cracks or other problems, you will find them as you clean it. If you want to go further, use antique furnature stripper such as 'Circa 1850' brand. Wear rubber gloves and follow directions. Rinse with water and quickly dry with a soft cloth, don't let the wood soak up water. Dings and dents can often be lifted by holding the ding over the spout of a boiling tea kettle. Or by placing a wet facecloth over the ding and applying a hot cloths iron. Steam will expand compressed wood fibres and amazingly will pop dents right back out. Steaming wont work if the wood is gouged cos the fibres are cut. Woodwork can be repaired with super glue, epoxy or carpenters glue. There are 1001 tips and tricks for fixing things, but unless it effects the safety and shootability, leave it alone, you can always go back to it later.

You will not get a sqweeky clean new looking stock out of it, realise that now. Do not ever have sandpaper in the same room as the rifle, just don't! Regard it like a cross to a vampire. If the wood surface needs help, use medium steel wool wetted with linseed oil, be gentle othewise you will have a clean patch lighter than the rest.

Once cleaned and thoroughly dry, give it several coats of raw linseed oil, which is the same stuff that it was treated with throughout its service life. Some prefer boiled linseed oil which has dryers added. Wipe it on, let it sit, wipe it off. Secret is many, many micro thin layers. Once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year, then once a year to maintain. After a few coats, the finish starts to build, it'll take only small dab of linseed oil on your hand to do the whole stock. Linseed will start to mellow and darken within a few weeks.

With an antique, less is best. You can easily overclean and cut its value by half without trying. Personaly, I love old guns with honest wear. They tell a story. A rifle with 5% original blue is worth more than one with 100% reblue. I don't touch the finish on any 'new to me' gun other than a light cleaning and inspection until I have fixed it up mechanicaly first and have it shooting. Just my own kind of self disciplin thing to keep me from being too ambitious all at once.

If in doubt, don't. Once something is done, its done. I can't count the number of times I regret cleaning something too much or chewed a screw trying to take it apart to 'improve' something. You can always come back to it another day.
 
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