Value of a UMP and a G36?
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HK knows civilian sales wont be around as long as civilian and military markets. They also know that assault weapons and the like can be banned at a whim, turning profits into loses. They got to enjoy with with the bans if you dint notice in the USA and Canada also all over the world. These types of guns arent a stable source of profit aslong as everyone is looking to ban them.
Thats why HK prefers to stick to handguns. Its a stable source of profit with less restrictions.
Thats why HK prefers to stick to handguns. Its a stable source of profit with less restrictions.
greentips said:
LOL, there's no way HK can ignore the american civilian market. I don't have any numbers, but I would speculate that the American civilian market alone would account for a helluva lot more sales of HK 'black rifles' than any military contract they have now.
There's some other reason they've shut civies out. It's either political or personal, but it's definitely not economical.
jonnynitro
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Friends,
I agree with you. H&K should be selling to civies. However...
I like pistol caliber carbines and sub-guns. There is nothing to me that I like in the market compared to an UMP.
My thoughts (please ad your own thoughts in the thread)
Uzi Sub-Gun ---great guns, i have used them extensively however can not legally get them here.
SAF & Mini SAF- tee hee what a joke
BRS - Great gun a little too big for my girlie hands
Colt 9mm AR15 - nice, but problems come up for every gun, every probloem is different and I am not a gunsmith. I will eventually get a very short AR (7.5 but in 223)
Storm - WHAT A GUN! super cheap, 10 round mags, I will never sell mine but it is not a world class sub gun.
BXP - Clunk Clunk Clunk good luck with mags
UMP - taaaaaa daaaaaaa the best the WORLD has to offer... (My educated opinion) just curious what its worth is.. so I guess I am correct at 5-6 Gs.
Thank you all for your input it has been great thread.
Please, no offence to any of the above gun owners, none intended.... So if you have an UZI or mini please invite me to your range! Its been tooooo long!
I agree with you. H&K should be selling to civies. However...
I like pistol caliber carbines and sub-guns. There is nothing to me that I like in the market compared to an UMP.
My thoughts (please ad your own thoughts in the thread)
Uzi Sub-Gun ---great guns, i have used them extensively however can not legally get them here.
SAF & Mini SAF- tee hee what a joke
BRS - Great gun a little too big for my girlie hands
Colt 9mm AR15 - nice, but problems come up for every gun, every probloem is different and I am not a gunsmith. I will eventually get a very short AR (7.5 but in 223)
Storm - WHAT A GUN! super cheap, 10 round mags, I will never sell mine but it is not a world class sub gun.
BXP - Clunk Clunk Clunk good luck with mags
UMP - taaaaaa daaaaaaa the best the WORLD has to offer... (My educated opinion) just curious what its worth is.. so I guess I am correct at 5-6 Gs.
Thank you all for your input it has been great thread.
Please, no offence to any of the above gun owners, none intended.... So if you have an UZI or mini please invite me to your range! Its been tooooo long!
jonnynitro said:
Well, I have an FN Uzi and I agree that it is OK for a 3rd Generation sub-gun. Still, it has long been surpassed by other designs. The same applies to my C1 SMG, Sten Mk II, and other Gen 2 sub-guns.
I also own (or have owned) a Thompson M1A1, Reising M50, MP-40, PPSh-41, Skorpion, HK MP-5, and several others. In addition to the SMGs that I have personally owned, I have spent enough trigger time on the S&W M76, MAC-10, PM-84 (full-auto BRS-99), PPS-43, 9mm AR, etc, etc, to have a pretty good idea of their various capabilities and limitations.
Funny that your list didn't include the HK MP-5, as I would take one of those over the UMP any day of the week. That would be the last gun I would ever sell out of my personal collection.
Each to their own though....
But the MP-5 is before the UMP what features didn't they carry over to the UMP for you to like the MP-5 (besides lots of plastic on the UMP) better?
I'm familiar with several MP-5 models but have never fired the UMP but I assumed the UMP would be an improvement?
I'm familiar with several MP-5 models but have never fired the UMP but I assumed the UMP would be an improvement?
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Wish we could get those Bobcat Weapons / Coharie Arms MP5 look-alikes. 
Other then looks, the MP5 and UMP are pretty different. Roller-delayed blowback on the MP5, standard blowback (to reduce cost, or so I was under the impression?) on the UMP.
Bartok: You could almost buy a liver if you sold the MP5!
They say "liability", but that's non-sense, the US Supreme Court just passed a verdict declaring gun manufacturers free from liability for what an individual does with their products - which is fair, else you may as well tell Frod (Ford - sorry, had to) it's their fault/responsibility for drunk drivers.
Other then looks, the MP5 and UMP are pretty different. Roller-delayed blowback on the MP5, standard blowback (to reduce cost, or so I was under the impression?) on the UMP.
Bartok: You could almost buy a liver if you sold the MP5!
cancer said:
They say "liability", but that's non-sense, the US Supreme Court just passed a verdict declaring gun manufacturers free from liability for what an individual does with their products - which is fair, else you may as well tell Frod (Ford - sorry, had to
) it's their fault/responsibility for drunk drivers.
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MPI said:
Be carefull about what you assume. Let's recall what "assume" means when we break the word down into an anacronym.....
Hey - I've never fired the real UMP, so I can't compare it to an MP-5. BUT, I have fired just about every other sub-gun on equal grounds and can say that the MP-5 is quite rightfully the king of that particular castle. So, unless the UMP is some sort of quantum leap forward in subgun technology (aside from the .45 calibre)?
Hey - if the UMP is such a quantum leap forward, then by all means it deserves to be known as "all that". But I have my serious doubts. The jury still seems to be out. In the interim? I'll stick with my tried and true MP-5.
Just saying.....
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well i,m put 20,30 k in mp5sBartok5 said:
and i owned a ump for 1 yr in semi
the mp5 is a better gun
but man does that 45acp 185+p jhp make a mess of things!!!
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Bartok I think your right on the money with the mp5 vs ump thing. When I was at a machine gun shoot a few ywers ago in the state, one of the many dealers there was set up with dealer samples non transferable to civilian guns in full auto. of these there were the new full auto ump and g36. People who got to shoot them that weekend were telling me theat the ump was no where as controlable as the mp5 in auto. I will take there word for it. from what I seen I would agree.
Moe
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I've put about 100 rds of 45 in a UMP down range in '02.. It is definately more of a thumper than the MP5. Not a killer, but more. Another of my impressions, not as "smooth", probably/possibly as a result of the heavier bolt.
100rds ain't much of a test, but it was a dealer demo thing. Kinda felt like a faster Franchi LF57.
Obviously I'd have one in my pile 'O crap if I could buy one myself, but for fun 'n games, I prefer the MP5.
My opinion, others may vary.
100rds ain't much of a test, but it was a dealer demo thing. Kinda felt like a faster Franchi LF57.
Obviously I'd have one in my pile 'O crap if I could buy one myself, but for fun 'n games, I prefer the MP5.
My opinion, others may vary.
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