Value of a Winchester Model 64

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I just helped a friend move a gun cabinet as he is executor of a will and in there was a Model 64 in 25-35.
At some point water got in the cabinet so the butt plate is corroded and there is some water damage to the end of the stock. Bluing looks good but action needs a good cleaning. I didn't have my a bore light with me so couldn't check that properly but what light I had it looks good.
I really like this gun BUT my Googling says that one in that calibre (most are in 30-30) even in 50% condition run over $2000.
Probably I could low ball the guy but I'm not a jerk so want to make him a decent offer on it.
 
greywolf67nt said:
I just helped a friend move a gun cabinet as he is executor of a will and in there was a Model 64 in 25-35.
At some point water got in the cabinet so the butt plate is corroded and there is some water damage to the end of the stock. Bluing looks good but action needs a good cleaning. I didn't have my a bore light with me so couldn't check that properly but what light I had it looks good.
I really like this gun BUT my Googling says that one in that calibre (most are in 30-30) even in 50% condition run over $2000.
Probably I could low ball the guy but I'm not a jerk so want to make him a decent offer on it.
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850-1200$
 
Model 64s are rare, in 25-35, they are rarer yet. One in 219 zipper would be extremely rare.

The Model 64 was introduced in the January 1933 catalog specifically as a replacement to the Model 55. As it was originally cataloged, it was available in the same 25-35 W.C.F., 30 W.C.F., and 32 W.S. cartridges as the Model 55. Like the Model 55, the Model 64 was never officially offered or cataloged in either the 32-40 or 38-55 cartridges, but there were a very small number of each that were made up through the year 1937. They are very rarely encountered, and many of them that are found today are fakes!

Production of the Model 64 began in late 1932, and two variants were offered; (1) the standard Rifle, and (2) the Deer Rifle. Many collectors refer to the Deer Rifle as a “Deluxe”. Throughout its entire production, the Model 64 was serialized in the Model 94 serial number range. Production of the Model 64 ended in late 1957, with an estimated at 66,783 manufactured, but that estimate may be too low.

In 1934, a 20-inch barrel was offered for both the standard Rifle and the Deer Rifle, with collectors commonly referring to them as “Carbines”. In 1937, the 219 Zipper was added to the production line. Other than different rear sight arrangements, very little else was offered for the Model 64.

The Cody Firearms Museum research office has the Polishing Room serialization records for all Model 64s manufactured through serial number 1352066.

25-35 is a great cartridge, and a hand loaders dream!
 
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U.S. prices don't apply here. A 64 in 50% condition here will bring $550 to $650 tops. Condition is everything. However a .25/35 model 64 isn't seen a lot so I would add about 50% for the calibre personally. Difficult to say with no pics but the rifle as you describe it is probably worth around $1000 depending on how buggered up the butt stock is. If really bad it and the buttplate can be replaced with originals. If the blue is very good and I owned it I would swap out the wood from a .30/30 or .32 special 64 and have a really nice, hard to find 64. My 2 cents.
 
Here are some crappy pics.
It was dark last night and looked at about 15 guns so some of the details got mixed up.
It isn't blued it looks like stainless with a lot of pitting.
I am thinking being generous it would be 50%.
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If it helps the serial number is 1251201
 
He has a model 1894 in 38-55 in about the same shape.
I am thinking about making him an offer for both.
The ammo is scarce but have been talking to a friend and you can resize 30-30 to either one and roll your own.
 
I wouldnt hesitate to low ball him with them in that condition. The metal may not be an issue but that wet mouldy stock certainly will be. I would ask how much he wants for them and go from there. I know for myself looking at the shape of them rare calibre or not they wouldn't get very much of my $$
 
the spank said:
I wouldnt hesitate to low ball him with them in that condition. The metal may not be an issue but that wet mouldy stock certainly will be. I would ask how much he wants for them and go from there. I know for myself looking at the shape of them rare calibre or not they wouldn't get very much of my $$
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I concur.
Moving firearms has taught me something, a dog is a dog is a dog. And sir, that thing is barking.
Stock needs a replace, metal work is poor now.
It's really not valuable anymore.

Too bad really, because if that thing was in great shape, it would be a very expensive lever rifle.
 
From the pics I would say no finish remains and the wood has been badly oversanded judging by the wood being below the steel at the tang of the butt stock. I would guess someone has removed the remaining finish with abrasives.
If the bore is good I wouldn't pay more than $300 for the 64 as it sits. Too bad, it would be a valuable rifle if condition was there.
 
I don't think that there was ever a stainless model 64, and if there was, it wouldn't be pitted like that.

The stock is probably going to have to be replaced, or if you just want to get it shooting cut it off and add a piece of wood (like adding a piece of wood to lengthen a stock for a really tall person) and go from there.

Brass is easy to do, but you have to anneal. It's what I did when I sized a bunch of 30-30 brass down to 25-35 and I didn't have too many wrinkled shoulders. I did remove the decapper/ neck expander when I did this. (I don't have a 25-35: this was for a different project)

Don't think about it as lowballing your friend on the gun: think about how much it will cost to fix it and sell it and not lose your shirt in the process. It's going to take a bunch of hard work to get it back up and running, so price your repairs accordingly. I'd think about it like buying an old car to fix up and sell. You're not going to pay $2000 for an old Geo Metro and put another $2000 worth of work and repairs into it and only be able to get $2500 for it when you sell it down the road...(or whatever Geo Metros are worth)

I paid $525 for my 30-30 model 64 five or 6 years ago, so the rarity of your gun, in good shape, might make it worth more, but because of the damage is worth a lot less.
 
It certainly looks to be a good buy, I do not know what the difference is between your currency and ours.
That Winchester appears to be in good condition, would look good in your rifle cabinet... eh ?
 
yeah will replace a sold 270 I think for mid long range, just not sure without holding it although hoping the winnie gurus may know if its a heavier , ruger like weight or like a rem 700 like weight?

it is a decent saving, generally go around 12-1400 up new. but regardless if its in good condition, ill offer him $600 bare.


is Mod 98 a misprint?

WL
 
WhelanLad said:
yeah will replace a sold 270 I think for mid long range, just not sure without holding it although hoping the winnie gurus may know if its a heavier , ruger like weight or like a rem 700 like weight?

it is a decent saving, generally go around 12-1400 up new. but regardless if its in good condition, ill offer him $600 bare.


is Mod 98 a misprint?

WL
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I think they are only referring to the appearance of the bolt only with respect to the long extractor.
It's probably more similar to the old pre-64 Mod. 70 bolt actually.
 
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