Value of P14 with volley sights versus no volley?

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Hello. How much more is a P14 with original volley sights intact over one that's been through Weedon repair? Full stock with all other metal intact.

We've got a line on one and it will likely be added to our collection. It is soaked in cosmoline everywhere.

Thanks.
 
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I would say an original piece with the original volley sights is much more desirable.
However, like with all milsurps, price depends on overall condition
 
"Plunging fire" must have been terribly disorienting to the WOGs. Imagine, in those days, being 2000 yards away from the enemy and all of a sudden it starts raining bullets. Even if no one was hit it would have thrown them into confusion. It probably wasn't nearly as effective on the Hun as they knew how to return fire.
 
bdft said:
"Plunging fire" must have been terribly disorienting to the WOGs. Imagine, in those days, being 2000 yards away from the enemy and all of a sudden it starts raining bullets. Even if no one was hit it would have thrown them into confusion. It probably wasn't nearly as effective on the Hun as they knew how to return fire.
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My dad was on the "Hun's" side in Dunkirk when the Brits used volley fire.
He said it had no effect whatsoever.
At first they thought it is machine gun fire, so all they did was to take the appropriate precaution.
 
I'm surprised they used volley fire as late as Dunkirk. By then they must have realized it was ineffective against trained and equipped troops. Old habits die hard, I guess. All it would take is one stubborn old school sergeant major to make the call.
 
Thanks for the replies. This must have been sitting in a depot somewhere. There was so much preservative grease I had to disassemble it down to the sear. Everything appears original but the bolt is mismatched (headspace good though). Even the stock disk is still in place.

Yeandle31 said:
An original P14 would be worth $100-$200 more. I'd be very interested in that P14 as well if you decide to pass on it.
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Sorry, this one followed us home. My 15 year old is going to the range with it tomorrow. I know where Princeton is! We used to live in Toronto and London. We're in Edmonton now.
 
I really question if they were using volley fire at Dunkirk as those volley sights would have mostly been removed from the service rifles by that point. That being said the intent of volley fire isn't always to kill the enemy. Forcing them to take the 'appropriate' precautions is one of the goals of volley fire/harassing fire. When in that precautionary state you aren't moving as quickly and it is also a drain on morale and stamina. Technically we still have the same doctrine to this day, just with the C6 and the support fire kit (and can be done with bigger guns such as the M2 Browning etc.).
 
Eaglelord17 said:
I really question if they were using volley fire at Dunkirk as those volley sights would have mostly been removed from the service rifles by that point. That being said the intent of volley fire isn't always to kill the enemy. Forcing them to take the 'appropriate' precautions is one of the goals of volley fire/harassing fire. When in that precautionary state you aren't moving as quickly and it is also a drain on morale and stamina. Technically we still have the same doctrine to this day, just with the C6 and the support fire kit (and can be done with bigger guns such as the M2 Browning etc.).
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I thought the same, but his description of the Brits' volley fire was very clear.
Too late to question him some more about it, because he decided to leave us 20 years ago already.
 
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