Variable Scope with MilDot?

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I am planning on buying a scope in the near future. I have no experience with shooting through scopes at distance, but I have a philosophy of futureproofing my purchases. I do plan on learning how to use and then employing mildot techniques as I progress. As such, I'd like a scope with it.

I would also like the scope I buy to have a variable zoom. I was looking at the 2.5-16 bushnells and I think I want one in this range. :p Does anyone know of a similar scope with mildot?
 
Nightforce offers a mildot in their 3.5-15x scope which is comparable in the power spectrum to the 2.5-16 Bushnell. Bonus is that illumination is standard with the Nightforce. Leupold also offers a 4.5-14x that, IIRC, has a mildot.

Mildots have fallen out of favour with many shooters due to the math and their large size being imperfect for ranging as compared to thin stadia lines in a reticle like Leupold's TMR (which is mil spaced) or the Nightforce NP-R1 and NR-R2. If you're set on mil I think you'll like the TMR better however some people will tell you that you want a mil reticle with mil adjustments which Leupold does not offer. If MOA works better for you then go with the NP-R1 or R2 with a MOA turret from Nightforce. If you want mildots then I would recommend Nightforce for the internal adjustments (100 MOA) and the availability of mil turrets with a mil reticle.

FWIW I have both Leupold and Nightforce. I have the 3.5-10x40mm TMR Leupold on my SAN and it's wicked for shootign gophers and such. The 3.5-15x50 NXS with the mildot reticle is on my 308 and I can still hold fine enough to hit 308 cases at 300m when everything works out. I also have the 5.5-22x56 NXS on my 300 WM and it has the NP-R1 reticle which I like for long range hunting.
 
You can find the Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14 x 40 or 50 with mil dot and target turrets if you like. Very clear glass. Under 1K will get you one.

Sightron also has some options, just click above at Mystic Precision , and Jerry is more than knowledgeable, give him a PM and he'll steer you in the right direction.
 
I had the opportunity to try a mildot Nightforce and a Sightron side by side the other day. I'd say the optics are equal but the Nightforce has a better reticle. I came to the conclusion that I wasn't willing to pay twice the price of the Sightron just to get a better reticle. Try Joe P-onto at R-P-S International or Jerry Teo at Mystic Precision if you want one of your own.
 
There a number of mildot options in the Sightron lineup.

If budget is more in the Bushnell range, then the SII Big Sky are a fantastic 1" scope with superb optics, mechanicals/tracking, and focus.

If you have a bit more coin, the SIII LR line up is superb. Depending on the size of the rifle and range you want to shoot, there are all sorts of options.

Please visit my website for prices, links and more info. I have been using these SIII LR scopes ever since they hit the market and have been thrilled with their performance.

I also compete with these scopes in F class and they leave nothing to the other products costing many times more.

New options in the new year too.

I have a bunch onhand with free shipping so let me know...

Jerry
 
Personally, I have no use for mildots, and if ranging were necessary, would use a LRF, and then set the elevation appropriately.
 
True. But for range estimation, how useful and effective are mildots?
The size of the object must be known. It must be stationary, and exposed long enough to be bracketed between dots. Then the math starts. There are those who suggest that mildots can be used for holding off for wind, or for leading moving targets. Fast, convenient and effective?
As an experiment, put an object of known size out at long range. Have a number of different folks try to work out the range. Compare the answers. Then compare the answers with the actual distance. Then ask yourself how many of the answers would have resulted in accurate enough elevations to produce hits.
 
I'd just use a LRF for that. ;)



tiriaq said:
True. But for range estimation, how useful and effective are mildots?
The size of the object must be known. It must be stationary, and exposed long enough to be bracketed between dots. Then the math starts. There are those who suggest that mildots can be used for holding off for wind, or for leading moving targets. Fast, convenient and effective?
As an experiment, put an object of known size out at long range. Have a number of different folks try to work out the range. Compare the answers. Then compare the answers with the actual distance. Then ask yourself how many of the answers would have resulted in accurate enough elevations to produce hits.
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But that sir is just a simulator.

Who says I'll be off?? I gotta use what tools I have, LRF's are very expensive, not in the budget. :rolleyes:

We are sliding off topic too.



DrawBlood said:
Google Shooter Ready and play the mil range estimation one. You will be between 50-100 yards off every time. Just bring a LRF wherever you go.
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The more you know, the less you need. Buy a quality 4X scope, get reasonably close and shoot, instead of fa*ting around with magnification rings, gadgets or especially battery powered optics (remember Murphy's law).
 
greg11 said:
I am planning on buying a scope in the near future. I have no experience with shooting through scopes at distance, but I have a philosophy of futureproofing my purchases. I do plan on learning how to use and then employing mildot techniques as I progress. As such, I'd like a scope with it.

I would also like the scope I buy to have a variable zoom. I was looking at the 2.5-16 bushnells and I think I want one in this range. :p Does anyone know of a similar scope with mildot?
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The Burris Fullfield II line has mildot reticles. They're usually in the value (decent quality for lower price) scope category, which makes for a good starting scope.
 
Shootshellz said:
The more you know, the less you need. Buy a quality 4X scope, get reasonably close and shoot, instead of fa*ting around with magnification rings, gadgets or especially battery powered optics (remember Murphy's law).
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Sir, my mother is a Newfie. I am related to 37 Murphy's that I know of. They are all full of sh*t. :p
 
I kinda agree , grade 6 math isn't too difficult. :p

I particularly like how you can compensate for error, 1 mil is 1 mil, not," ummm, I think , you, were um, about, ummmm, 18 inches left"

If you are learning, make a nice table on excel and tape it to your stock. You get proficient will mils dots, then you got someting.;)

oh, and forgot, they don't use batteries OR get lost and dropped.

DrXenon said:
He who can't learn mildot math in an hour should turn in his PAL, because he is ipso facto retarded. Mildots seemed to work out okay for Jack Coughlin and every other US military sharpshooter I've ever read about.
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