Variance in starting loads

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I have a box of 3030 win that has been prepped, primed and is waiting for the powder charge. I'm loading them with 150 grain bullets and using H335. For charging I'm using lee dippers and a safety scale. Starting loads are listed at 29.7 grains, max is 33.0. The dipper I'm using is a 1.9cc. Weighed out my charges are coming in pretty consistently from 29.6-30.4 grains. Now I'm not too worried about exceeding max loads with that but I am a bit concerned about the coming in just under the starting load. Should I be stressing too much over the .1 grain difference or is there a little bit of leeway with the data?
 
You can look in 10 different reloading manuals and get 10 different starting and max loads for any given caliber. Each company has their own set up for taking pressure measurements and way of testing. When I look for a starting load for a specific firearm I always look at all my manuals as well as online and start at the very lowest one that is referenced and work my way up. It is not uncommon to have as much as 2 grains difference in starting and max loads.
 
Next bigger one is 34ish I believe, way too much with that bullet. I had a hunch that it wouldn’tnbe A problem but figured I’d ask. I’m paranoid because I had a couple 303 rounds with squib loads a few years ago. Thanks for the info. Crimps are next once I’m Off work tonight.
 
The 30-30 Winchester is a lower pressure cartridge and the max rated pressure is 38,000 cup or 42,000 psi. And the max pressure for the 150 grain bullet at the Hodgdon's website is 36,200 cup and below the max rated chamber pressure.

I have a Winchester 94 Trapper model 30-30 with a 16 1/2 inch barrel and even when I exceed the max load my primers are still protruding from the base of the case. Meaning at or slightly over max powder loading the chamber pressure is not high enough to push the base of the case against the bolt face. The means only the primer touches the bolt face and exerts very little pressure or force on the bolt face.

Reloading data in the manuals is very conservative due to all the older 30-30 rifles still being used today. I have been reloading for my 30-30 since 1982 and my cases die of split necks and never from a case head separation from cases stretching.

What you will see with your light loads below or at the starting load is soot on the case necks and possibly on the case body. And you may still see soot on the case neck at the max loads because the 30-30 is a low pressure cartridge. And as Ganderite stated above 34 grains is a max load so give it a try and as long as your primers are protruding I would not get excited.

The last time I went to the range with my son he brought his Marlin 336 30-30 and brought three different brands of 30-30 ammunition and I brought my reloads. With both rifles the primers were protruding with my reloads and factory ammo. Again this means the chamber pressures is high enough to hold the case body against the chamber walls. But the chamber pressure is not great enough to make the case stretch to the rear and contact the bolt face.

Bottom line, I would check each load on a scale with the warmer loads at or near maximum to be on the safe side. I loaded with Lee scoops for a few years, but had more peace of mind after I bought a good balance beam scale.

Below a link for loading a 30-30 Contender with load data in a shorter 14 inch barrel. Look at his H335 loads for the 170 grain bullet. Then look in the Lyman reloading manual and the rifle and contender load data for the 30-30. I'm not telling anyone to exceed maximum pressure, but the SAAMI sets maximum pressure for the oldest and weakest actions they can be fired in. Example the .270 Winchester max loads are 5,000 psi higher than a max load in a 30-06 because the 30-06 can be used in older and weaker actions.

And at the link below he is loading 33 grains of H335 with a 170 grain bullet. And the contender load data in the Lyman manual are also a few grains higher for their max loads.

http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt3030ss.htm

NOTE the late P.O. Ackley did a experiment with a Winchester 94 30-30 AI and test fired this rifle with the locking bolt removed and nothing happened. All that happened was the primer backed out of the primer pocket and the base of the case never touched the bolt face. With any caliber rifle starting at the suggested stating loads the primers will back out until higher pressure are reached. And again meaning very little force and pressure on the bolt face.
 
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So, given all the info you guys have thrown at me, I went with half on the 1.9 dipper, and half on the 2.2. I will run them all off the bench next time I head out and see how they group. Thanks everybody who's chimed in here. Now, here's a quick pic of my bullet seating and crimp if anyone wants to give it a quick look over and critique the feedback would be appreciated. The overall length of the round measures out at aprox 64.78mm which falls in line with the info I have at hand.

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I never bothered crimping the 30-30, even though it is a tubulatr mag. Lots of neck tension in that long neck.

Your crimp looks good.


If it was me, I would seat the bullet a CH deeper, to get more of the crimp into the bullet canelure.
 
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