varmints with a 22 rimfire?
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Ardent,
Dont you find such an extreme velocity spread havoc outside of 100 yards?.
I wonder if weighing them individually and shootignthem in weight groups would make a difference (.1 gr's makes a world of difference in a 22)
I've allways had better luck with standard velocity LR ammo out of my guns for accuracy. I find them more consistent IMHO, even the cheap stuff (federal bulk exempted, you couldnt pay me to shoot it)
HOw do you find the velocitors in a match chamber?
Are they long like a stinger? (which BTW, I've never been able to get to shoot inside of three inches out of any 22 I've shot @ 100 yards)
Dont you find such an extreme velocity spread havoc outside of 100 yards?.
I wonder if weighing them individually and shootignthem in weight groups would make a difference (.1 gr's makes a world of difference in a 22)
I've allways had better luck with standard velocity LR ammo out of my guns for accuracy. I find them more consistent IMHO, even the cheap stuff (federal bulk exempted, you couldnt pay me to shoot it)
HOw do you find the velocitors in a match chamber?
Are they long like a stinger? (which BTW, I've never been able to get to shoot inside of three inches out of any 22 I've shot @ 100 yards)
Ardent
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DarrylDB said:
Yeah, Stingers generally don't shoot well for me either. But nope, the Velocitor uses a standard length LR non-nickle plated case, looks like any other copper plated .22 but with a more "engineered" looking bullet. I like how they engage the rifling as they have a nice even shoulder, and seem well suited to match chambers (no sweat on the brass as stated and I believe that was your main concern). As for the spreads and long range, I haven't started weighing yet, but will with my new CZ for kicks. I did get less y axis dispersion with a consistent 5 rounds, like the 2.27" group, but even that had a stinker below the mid 1300's.
It's been said, but I'll repeat it for emphasis. The 22lr is great for grounds squirrels, rabbits and other small game out to 100 yards. For greater range and/or larger animals, go centre-fire. The 22 lr is definitely NOT recommended for coyotes. Respect for the quarry dictates using enough gun to ensure quick kills, and for coyotes, that means centre-fire.
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Ardent, have you tryed any winchester power points? I tryed velocitators on gophers.. and was unimpressed... I now exclusivly use winchester power points.
I have shot furrel dogs, and coyotes with a 22lr... Its all about shot placement.... If you can shoot it in the brain or heart its not going far. I don't know why but people get all dumb when a animal runs for say 30yards when hit with a 22lr... but many small cal centerfire shots have simialr results.
also out here I have heard allot of stores along the lines of: I wounded a coyote with my 30-06... tryed to finish him off with the 22... it did not phaze him.
I have shot furrel dogs, and coyotes with a 22lr... Its all about shot placement.... If you can shoot it in the brain or heart its not going far. I don't know why but people get all dumb when a animal runs for say 30yards when hit with a 22lr... but many small cal centerfire shots have simialr results.
also out here I have heard allot of stores along the lines of: I wounded a coyote with my 30-06... tryed to finish him off with the 22... it did not phaze him.
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Just because you CAN kill something with a .22lr doesn't mean you should. There are stories of people killing just about everything with a .22. If you have good enough shot placement to kill a Coyote with a rimfire, then you have good enough shot placement to kill with a centerfire, and with a centerfire you have added insurance.
The only reason I can think of why you would is that you are too CHEAP to use enough gun for the task. I would hope everyone here would have enough respect for nature not to have this be the case.
The only reason I can think of why you would is that you are too CHEAP to use enough gun for the task. I would hope everyone here would have enough respect for nature not to have this be the case.
Ardent, thanks buddy, Im going to give em a try for ####z and gigglez.
J, and Kombi, Its a rather simple job to do to be honest.
I use Krylon paint.
Usually, for camo patterns, you start light, and paint your stock, and layer the darker colors onto the stock with your patterns. But for this, I started with flat black, and painted stripes about 3 inches apart, (just a light dispursion, not a heavy stripe) with green krylon, and oversprayed it with brown bowflage. (just a very light splatter, allmost just spotting of brown on the stock).
Next, you take plastic leaves commonly available at any craft store, and lay en out on your stock. Its best to do about 6 inches at a time... Place the stencils/leaves onthe stock, and spray overthem with the white. Not heavy, but enought to cover most of the black.
Work your way up the stock, and dont overcoat the white.
You want shadows.
Let the stock dry, and once again, I overspray it with black, and brown bowflage.
When I mean spray, I mean short half second bursts to basically get paint spots on the stock. It breaks up the colors, and gives it a more real look. I went and took some more close pictures for you guys to hopefully explain what Im saying...
J, and Kombi, Its a rather simple job to do to be honest.
I use Krylon paint.
Usually, for camo patterns, you start light, and paint your stock, and layer the darker colors onto the stock with your patterns. But for this, I started with flat black, and painted stripes about 3 inches apart, (just a light dispursion, not a heavy stripe) with green krylon, and oversprayed it with brown bowflage. (just a very light splatter, allmost just spotting of brown on the stock).
Next, you take plastic leaves commonly available at any craft store, and lay en out on your stock. Its best to do about 6 inches at a time... Place the stencils/leaves onthe stock, and spray overthem with the white. Not heavy, but enought to cover most of the black.
Work your way up the stock, and dont overcoat the white.
You want shadows.
Let the stock dry, and once again, I overspray it with black, and brown bowflage.
When I mean spray, I mean short half second bursts to basically get paint spots on the stock. It breaks up the colors, and gives it a more real look. I went and took some more close pictures for you guys to hopefully explain what Im saying...
Here is a pic showing what I mean by overspraying the brown....
You can also see the brown and green under the white. The white was the last addition other than the light spray of brown and black for spotting.
Here is a closer pic of the buttstock. you can see a bit better what I mean of the brown and black spotting.
Another hint, if you hold your leaf pattern a half inch off the stock or so when painting it, you get a neat shadow effect in your leaf pattern on the stock.
And, a bad case of trial and error
dont use markers to outline your leaves. It looks ###, and ruins a good paintjob. Im going to have redo this one... A momentary lapse of judgement, but winters allmost over, and back to a brown/green camo.
I'll do some step by step when I repaint my stocks in spring.
You can also see the brown and green under the white. The white was the last addition other than the light spray of brown and black for spotting.
Here is a closer pic of the buttstock. you can see a bit better what I mean of the brown and black spotting.
Another hint, if you hold your leaf pattern a half inch off the stock or so when painting it, you get a neat shadow effect in your leaf pattern on the stock.
And, a bad case of trial and error
dont use markers to outline your leaves. It looks ###, and ruins a good paintjob. Im going to have redo this one... A momentary lapse of judgement, but winters allmost over, and back to a brown/green camo.
I'll do some step by step when I repaint my stocks in spring.
Ardent
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Yeah I've tried PP's JD, and I'll give it to you, they are effective on gophers and crows. But I find them far less accurate, and get a lot more drop than Velocitors. Since I know for a fact Velocitors out of my guns will go into less than a dime at 50 yards time and again I prefer them. I find them both about equally effective with a good hit, but find it a lot easier to make those good hits due to the more accurate load and less drop.
For what it is worth the Velociters are a joke.
I have run bullets from two different lot numbers of these cartridges over the chrony and they didn't even match the CCI Mini Mags for speed. They clocked 1200 fps while the Mini-Mags do 1250 out of my Marlin 39A with a 24" barrel. The QuickShoks however did almost meet their advertised speed at around 1500 fps
I have run bullets from two different lot numbers of these cartridges over the chrony and they didn't even match the CCI Mini Mags for speed. They clocked 1200 fps while the Mini-Mags do 1250 out of my Marlin 39A with a 24" barrel. The QuickShoks however did almost meet their advertised speed at around 1500 fps
1899; I shot both those 'yotes with an old lot of Rem-Umc unplated long rifle solid that came in the old green boxes [probably collectable now!!] I did chrony some of them and they were consistently over 1350 in my rifle, which had a 24" tube. I was not hunting the dogs, but they each presented an opportunity that I felt I could justify taking the shot. If the same thing occurred today, I might pass, since I prefer more gun for coyotes. In all fairness, both shots were well under 50 yards, and neither dog had any idea I was around. One shot took it's target right in the eye, the other was basically centered in the back of the skull. Both dropped where they stood. I have shot Starlings and other small pests at unbelieveable distances with the 22 long rifle. Lots of practice [easy with a 22], and knowing your ammo intimately helps. These days, I use a lot of Dynapoints & CCI Blazers for plinking, and for serious target work, Some high grade target ammo that my 541's & 581's like. Regards, Eagleye.
Ardent
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[QUOTE='Boo]For what it is worth the Velociters are a joke.
I have run bullets from two different lot numbers of these cartridges over the chrony and they didn't even match the CCI Mini Mags for speed. They clocked 1200 fps while the Mini-Mags do 1250 out of my Marlin 39A with a 24" barrel. The QuickShoks however did almost meet their advertised speed at around 1500 fps[/QUOTE]
That's odd, they've always performed just under factory spec in my guns and over my chrono, at 1400fps from my 21" CZ, and they often hit 1400 or over as well from my 18" Kimber, with an average out of the Kimber on a cool day of 1380fps. Wonder what's up with yours?
I have run bullets from two different lot numbers of these cartridges over the chrony and they didn't even match the CCI Mini Mags for speed. They clocked 1200 fps while the Mini-Mags do 1250 out of my Marlin 39A with a 24" barrel. The QuickShoks however did almost meet their advertised speed at around 1500 fps[/QUOTE]
That's odd, they've always performed just under factory spec in my guns and over my chrono, at 1400fps from my 21" CZ, and they often hit 1400 or over as well from my 18" Kimber, with an average out of the Kimber on a cool day of 1380fps. Wonder what's up with yours?
It really depends on how close you are,I allways carried a Marlin 39 in the cab of my tractor while feeding round bales! I noticed a cow down(dead)and her calf was right next to her and a yote was getting ready to drag her off for a quick dinner!
I just turned the lights off opened the cab door,and turned the 39 on the yote!! One shot and he whirled and fell in one motion!!
Dead as a brick(with a cci 220 cal round)i now use a Win 1890 WRF which is just a little hotter than a .22lr(not much)but uses a .224 bullet,not a healed bullet like the .22lr and the .38 long colt!
The WRF also uses a 45 grain bullet!
But ideally I would choose a 223 in my Rem 700(but is really just to heavy and bulky)as compaired over the tiny Win 1890!
Bob
I just turned the lights off opened the cab door,and turned the 39 on the yote!! One shot and he whirled and fell in one motion!!
Dead as a brick(with a cci 220 cal round)i now use a Win 1890 WRF which is just a little hotter than a .22lr(not much)but uses a .224 bullet,not a healed bullet like the .22lr and the .38 long colt!
The WRF also uses a 45 grain bullet!
But ideally I would choose a 223 in my Rem 700(but is really just to heavy and bulky)as compaired over the tiny Win 1890!
Bob
A 22lr will kill just about any north american critter (there are more than a few stories out there of even moose being taken with a .22!), at a reasonable range (by reasonable I mean the same range that ne would use a shotgun with your typical #6 or #7 bird shot at, or the same range that one would use a bow at), certainly not the "best" round out there for your average Wile E Coyote but more than capable than going thru such a critter's skull at the above-mentioned ranges.
Damn. I used to shoot and kill big groundhogs with my Crosman 1400 pump up .22 pellet gun. Nailed them in the head within 5-10-15 yards and they were history. So, I'd think a .22LR should work well at as good a range as you can shoot.
The thing with coyotes is that they don't let you get within 5-10-15 yards. They are definitely "wiley".
The thing with coyotes is that they don't let you get within 5-10-15 yards. They are definitely "wiley".
