Velocity of .45-70 out of Guide Gun

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I have a question for those of you who have Chronoed the .45-70 round out of the 18.5" barrel of the GG as well as out of the 22" barrel of the Classic Marlin 1895. What type of velocity lose did you get when launching the loads out of the shorter barrel?

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You should try the "internet" . I typed in 45-70 expansion ratio and there were at least six hits that answer your ques. in that search alone.
 
As a rough guide, heavy bullets will probably about 100 fps slower than they would be in a 22 inch barrel.
Recoil may appear heavier in the guide gun, because of weight and stock shape. So, with the 45-70 you will likely load it to where you can still shoot it, and not worry what the velocity is.
 
Bassmaster said:
That was helpful:rolleyes:
Isn't that what these forums are for, to ask these types of questions?
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Fair enough, but the point is that a simple search would have provided the answer. There are so many redundant posts/ques. on these forums that could be eliminated with just the slightest effort on the part of the OP.
 
here are my loads from my guide gun I use remington 405g bullets
Factory remington 405g (all rifles) 1138fps
imr4198 38g 1533
imr4198 44g max 1792fps
imr 4895 55g 1707fps
h322 55g max 1913fps

hope this is usefull for you.

keith
 
Jacketed

300gr = 2150fps
350gr = 2075fps
405gr = 1950fps

Hard Cast gas checked

405gr = 1950fps
430gr = 1850fps
525gr = 1600fps
550gr = 1580fps

yes I shoot these in my 1895GS 45-70
 
marcoman said:
You should try the "internet" . I typed in 45-70 expansion ratio and there were at least six hits that answer your ques. in that search alone.
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Why even have forums then?. Hey, lets just shut them all down. We can all just ask the "internet". That sounds way more fun than conversing with a bunch of like minded individuals who have real life experience and valid opinions. Sorry for the hijack, I have'nt been on this forum very long, but "people" like this guy make it harder every day to even bother checking it out!
 
marcoman said:
Fair enough, but the point is that a simple search would have provided the answer. There are so many redundant posts/ques. on these forums that could be eliminated with just the slightest effort on the part of the OP.
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Remember the saying " If you have nothing good to say then say nothing at all".

Im enjoying this post as im thinking about getting a 45-70.
 
marcoman said:
Fair enough, but the point is that a simple search would have provided the answer. There are so many redundant posts/ques. on these forums that could be eliminated with just the slightest effort on the part of the OP.
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Remember the saying " If you have nothing good to say then say nothing at all".

Im enjoying this post as im thinking about getting a 45-70. You can get lots of info on the net that may be incorrect at least here you will get a variety of opinions then make your own judgement based on that.
 
I love this place! Thank you guys for your answers, they are all appreciated.

The reason I asked is because I've been wanting a guide gun for a couple of years now and the latest incarnation with full mag and laminated stock really strikes my fancy. However, I got the chance to handle one last weekend and although very pretty to my eyes, I felt the balance with the short barrel was a little odd.

My main reason for wanting this rifle is for "just in case when in black bear territory", so the short barrel is appealing. However, when I got home and checked the gun I've been using for that purpose, a Rem 870 with 20" barrel and 7 shot mag extension, I realized it was roughly the same length and weight as the 1895 Classic with 22" barrel. That got me thinking that if I would get higher velocities from a better balanced, not much less manageable package, I would go with the longer rifle instead. However, if all I would be loosing with the 18" barrel is roughly 100 fps, then the longer mag in the GG would be more appealing for my purposes.

It seems like now I'll have to go back to the store and let the rifles convince me of which one should be chosen. This will be my first Lever action and I will admit I much prefer the trimmer stocks on Winchesters, but at more than twice the price for a new 1886 in .45-70, I think the Marlin is my only choice for now.

Hey Camp Cook, which powder(s) are you using in those loads?

By the way, I know heavy loads will kick in the GG, but I am used to 180gr pills at 3,290 fps out of my .300 Wby and 300gr ones at over 2,400 fps out of my Savage 10ML, so I am hoping the GG won't be much worse.

Again, thanks everyone, I appreciate your answers!
 
Only powder I use in my 45-70's now is H322 and yes I have tried almost all of the powders that are popular for it...

I've posted this video of me shooting my 1895GS 45-70 loaded with 350gr Hornady JRN @ over 2000fps before but it may give you an idea how well they work for their intended uses I never chronographed this load so not sure of the velocity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-AVr7gNmrU

I used to carry a 18.5" Rem 870 12 gauge with extended mag tube but totally prefer the 1895GS too it I even bought a Dlask 14" 12 gauge barrel but find I don't carry it either keep coming back to the 45-70.

Install a Kick-Eez recoil pad and you will be amazed how easily you will be able to handle heavier recoiling loads...

CC
 
I've always wanted a Guide Gun but four 45-70's seems a bit much, especially trying to keep all the loads seperated (original Rolling Block does NOT want to try to digest loads for the modern 1885).
 
The recoil of a hot loaded 45-70 is less snappy than the 300mags in my opinion. If you are like me, you will like the big bore.:)
 
Thanks for the info CC and pretty nice video!

By the way, Kick-Eez is what I installed on my MK-V. The difference in recoil is quite amazing, indeed!
 
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