Verdict on reintroduced Win M70?
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I would have preferred if they left the all weather extreme bell and carlson stock thick in the pistol grip area. I held the new style stock and it is to slim for my big hands. I liked the palm swell on the first run of the all weather extreme. Also there is no winchester grip cap on the new run of stocks. If it is not to much trouble can someone with an all weather extreme SS model 70 with the beefy grip post a few pictures of the profile of the palm swell?
The old trigger was a decent trigger but was not foolproof. Winchester could have built a much better trigger. The new trigger addresses a couple of the issues related to the original trigger.
The new trigger features a vertical contact between the sear and cocking piece. This means the rear of the bolt is not forced upward when the rifle is cocked.
The new trigger is more compact and so the stock can be more rigid with a smaller cutout.
The new trigger design produces less load on the trigger lever.
Having said all this, I have to admit, I liked the old trigger too. I am familiar with it and can get it to do what I want. It was in production for seventy years. In fact, it is still in production since the Model 70 trigger is used by MRC and Dakota on their actions. Given the number I have worked on which had been rendered inoperable though, I would have to say they are not "foolproof".
The new trigger, while offensive to some of the purists, is not a bad piece of design work.
One thing I have noticed on some new Winchesters, which I never saw on the previous models, is the occasional barrel with ripples in the bore. The Winchester representative I spoke with couldn't tell me whether or not the same hammer forging machinery was being used but did say the personell were all new. I suggested they might want re-hire the old production foreman and get rid of the new guy. The response was chilly. Regards, Bill.
The new trigger features a vertical contact between the sear and cocking piece. This means the rear of the bolt is not forced upward when the rifle is cocked.
The new trigger is more compact and so the stock can be more rigid with a smaller cutout.
The new trigger design produces less load on the trigger lever.
Having said all this, I have to admit, I liked the old trigger too. I am familiar with it and can get it to do what I want. It was in production for seventy years. In fact, it is still in production since the Model 70 trigger is used by MRC and Dakota on their actions. Given the number I have worked on which had been rendered inoperable though, I would have to say they are not "foolproof".
The new trigger, while offensive to some of the purists, is not a bad piece of design work.
One thing I have noticed on some new Winchesters, which I never saw on the previous models, is the occasional barrel with ripples in the bore. The Winchester representative I spoke with couldn't tell me whether or not the same hammer forging machinery was being used but did say the personell were all new. I suggested they might want re-hire the old production foreman and get rid of the new guy. The response was chilly. Regards, Bill.
I'm up to 3 of the reborn Model 70. All are stainless with the Bell & Carlson stocks. The only complaint I have is with the stock. I don't care for the angle on the pistol grip. I always feel like my hand will slip backwards off the grip.
I got a $hitty barrel on a late production 70 SS Classic in .338.It had machine gouges on top of the lands and it looks like a chimp was having a temper tantrum inside with a meat cleaver.Chatter marks galore.After being lied to by the USA Winchester warranty Dept about no warranty repair places in Canada.I called back and was directed to Browning Canada and they will return the gun to the US turnaround time 8 Months approximately.Unreal lack of customer service............Harold
Unions have their place at times, but much of the time they abuse their role to the point where
(1) workers are less productive and
(2) of sufficiently poor quality and
(3) wages are uncompetitively high enough
to render a company uncompetitive in a business environment. In short, an aggressive union can run a company right out of business through poor product and stupid high overhead. This is anything but behaving in the best interests of the workers.
At other times, they simply form a useless parasitic form of wage tax between workers and their paychecks.
Would you have bought a Chevy Cavalier knowing you're paying for a $6000 car with $7000 worth of worker benefits and pension obligations? Knowing that the car you bought for $13,999 is worth $7000 in eighteen months because that's it's real value? That's why GM tanked. You survive as a company because you can build a great product at a decent profit and attract the best talent.
Want to see how good your union is? Ask the union to take a dues cut when your industry tanks in order to keep the workers working and the company competitive. I have never heard of a union doing such a thing.
This is table 9.1 from Cukier and Sidel's "The Global Gun Epidemic", 2005. Don't forget that Canada's Labour Unions are official members of the Coalition for Gun Control. CAW and the CLC actively campaigned against Bill C-391. Your union very likely wants to take ALL your firearms away from you, regardless of where they are made.
Unions have their place at times, but much of the time they abuse their role to the point where
(1) workers are less productive and
(2) of sufficiently poor quality and
(3) wages are uncompetitively high enough
to render a company uncompetitive in a business environment. In short, an aggressive union can run a company right out of business through poor product and stupid high overhead. This is anything but behaving in the best interests of the workers.
At other times, they simply form a useless parasitic form of wage tax between workers and their paychecks.
Would you have bought a Chevy Cavalier knowing you're paying for a $6000 car with $7000 worth of worker benefits and pension obligations? Knowing that the car you bought for $13,999 is worth $7000 in eighteen months because that's it's real value? That's why GM tanked. You survive as a company because you can build a great product at a decent profit and attract the best talent.
Want to see how good your union is? Ask the union to take a dues cut when your industry tanks in order to keep the workers working and the company competitive. I have never heard of a union doing such a thing.
This is table 9.1 from Cukier and Sidel's "The Global Gun Epidemic", 2005. Don't forget that Canada's Labour Unions are official members of the Coalition for Gun Control. CAW and the CLC actively campaigned against Bill C-391. Your union very likely wants to take ALL your firearms away from you, regardless of where they are made.
Like I posted earlier, I have 2 new model 70's so far with more to come.
The BEST part is they busted the union. Hats off to FN for doing that.
I might send an extra $100 to the social fund of the workers at the North Carolina plant just to let them know they are doing a great job!
Unions = Local Economic Terroist Cells
