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I just took possession of a new ar build. The lower reciever was registered to me previously as a stripped receiver.

I asked to update the registration certificate as a functional AR, but the cfo's office is insisting that the firearm must be verified before a new certificate will be issued.

Is this usual?
 
The firearm has all standard commercially available parts, and an 14.5" barrel. At issue, I am told, is the possibility that something may have been done to the rifle which may make it prohibited. I responded by saying that it was already a restricted semiauto AR receiver, so there are basically no issues that could make it prohibited, such as calibre or barrel length.

Could the problem be that the receiver was made in Alberta by a company that makes custom AR receivers among other things?
 
I just finished a build. The lower was registered for 2 years. After i put the upper on 2 weeks ago all they requested was the barrel length. That was it. a 5 min phone call. I am in Saskatchewan and they do seem less intense here.
 
ez8 said:
just store and transport it without the upper on it..... problem solved.
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No, problem NOT solved. You are required by law to report a change to a firearm frame or receiver that allows it to discharge ammunition. You are legally obligated to report EVERY CHANGE. Putting a completed upper on a receiver registered as frame-only for five seconds and then removing it immediately afterwards doesn't absolve you of your duty to report the changes, regardless of how long they were in effect. Leaving a firearm registered as frame-only and putting an upper on to shoot occasionally and NOT reporting it is unlawful.

That said, the reason given by the CFO is pure bullsh*t and should be challenged. What do they think you did, milled it for an auto sear? :rolleyes:
 
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No, problem NOT solved. You are required by law to report a change to a firearm frame or receiver that allows it to discharge ammunition. You are legally obligated to report EVERY CHANGE. Putting a completed upper on a receiver registered as frame-only for five seconds and then removing it immediately afterwards doesn't absolve you of your duty to report the changes, regardless of how long they were in effect.

Leaving a firearm registered as frame-only and putting an upper on to shoot occasionally and NOT reporting it is unlawful.
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Yup. That is how the law is written. You got 30 days to comply. Technically you'd have to report the upper being installed, then uninstalled. As much sense as the rest of the act, especially with such a modular gun such as the AR.
 
The only thing I can think of is if someone at the office got the idea that you cut down an existing barrel to 14.5". There are plenty of existing 14.5" barrels. Unless someone is doing some make work and the FRT is for something like 14.4991" and you said 14.5".
 
Stevebot-7 said:
The only thing I can think of is if someone at the office got the idea that you cut down an existing barrel to 14.5". There are plenty of existing 14.5" barrels. Unless someone is doing some make work and the FRT is for something like 14.4991" and you said 14.5".
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The frt numbers are issued with metric barrel lengths, millimeters actually. Simple imperial to metric math conversion. Just round the decimal up on the mm value.

AR15 Common Barrel Length Measurement Conversions…

165 mm = 6.5 inch
178 mm = 7 inch
191 mm = 7.5 inch
203 mm = 8 inch
229 mm = 9 inch
262 mm = 10.3 inch
267 mm = 10.5 inch
291 mm = 11.5 inch
305 mm = 12 inch
318 mm = 12.5 inch
368 mm = 14.5 inch
373 mm = 14.7 inch
406 mm = 16 inch
413 mm = 16.25 inch
419 mm = 16.5 inch
457 mm = 18 inch
508 mm = 20 inch
610 mm = 24 inch
660 mm = 26 inch
 
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I built one on ontario and all they asked was cal and barrel length. 5 min phone call, but i called the cfc NOT the cfo, i never waste my time with them unless its for an att.
 
Weren't they all worked up about the 80% receivers that a company out west was selling. They probably want to make sure it's not capable of full auto. Still seems a bit weird. When I completed my ARs they asked calibre and barrel length and couldn't even figure out what 10.5" was in MM. Retards.
 
Give them the length and make of the barrel the upper is made of, (ie it is an upper build from a factory Daniel Defense 14.5" barrel) the only reason they are asking for a verification is they have no idea if the barrel was manufactured from barrel stock or someone took a existing barrel and cut it down to size, where as if give them the manufacturer and length they can verify it against their database.

ust store and transport it without the upper on it..... problem solved.
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Just because the upper and lower is stored separate it doesn't mean you are free to do whatever you want. since upper can be installed without any special tools in less than a minute, more than likely any judge will consider it is your intention to keep the modification, therefore any changes will need to be reported within 30 days. Just like if I decide to buy a 16" for my XCR, try it once and decided I don't like and just leave in my safe after 30 days It will be consider it is my intention to keep the modification.
 
bearmaz said:
Weren't they all worked up about the 80% receivers that a company out west was selling. They probably want to make sure it's not capable of full auto. Still seems a bit weird. When I completed my ARs they asked calibre and barrel length and couldn't even figure out what 10.5" was in MM. Retards.
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Hence why I provided the conversions for everyone. Easier to just give them the mm measurements than having to work through the headache of them making you call back after you figure it out yourself.

The government works in metric. Don't call them with imperial measurements. Most likely they will tell you to go get it verified.

Which...... might be what happened here.
 
Thanks for all your input above.

I am in Saskatchewan -- so much for the relatively less stringent regulation here.

At no point was I asked for the barrel length.

The full story is that I asked for an ATT to bring the firearm back from Alberta. My request was delayed and I was called instead because there was no record of any att's issued for the rifle's location at that time. The female investigator calling was interested in how the receiver went from the manufacturer, to the assembler, the address of the person holding the rifle for me. I found her attitude to be combative and condescending.

I suggested that while I was not privy to these movements, I could only assume that they were accomplished by mail, since Canada Post does not need an ATT. I was told explicitly and sharply that only a police officer could transport a restricted firearm, so there must be a trail of ATT's. I replied that I had no clue what was done in the past, but that for my part, I was trying to follow all the necessary rules.

In the end, the ATT was issued at the last minute, and I transported the rifle.

Apparently, I now have to find a verifier to confirm that this rifle is an AR, and is not prohibited for any reason.
 
Anyone know if there has been an official ruling on what AK said, that any time you put on the upper that change needs to be reported to the CFC? Court rulings, bulletins?
 
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