Verify K98k 'byf' 44

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Before embarking upon installing an LSR mount I would like to verify that I am not destroying a significant rifle. It has clear Nazi proofs on the barrel and receiver. It is a Mauser Werke AG Oberndorf am Neckar product. The receiver, bolt, trigger guard and stock match; possibly forced. Waffenamt 77( Steyr- Daimler-Puch 40-44) are on the bolt body and trigger guard. Waffenamt 135 ( Mauser Oberndorf 41-45) is on the receiver. The barrel is circularly stamped: 44D44. I have not been able to identify the small 'f' suffix after serial on the receiver. It is likely an arsenal rebuild; I just want to know if it was the Germans or the Russians. It shoots MOA. Any input would be appreciated.

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I am by no means an expert, nor do i have my reference material at hand but off the top of my head:

The upper band should be milled and closed, yours is stamped. The buttplate should be cupped, yours is flat. The "f" is part of the serial number block.

Nice rifle, even if not totally original.
 
Please dont modify that!!!
Anything with nazi proofs doesnt need to be destroyed. Lots of guys will pay that those.
Including my self.......lol
 
Looks to be Czech or East German Rebuild (black dip or blueing). Stock looks Yugo with the stamped S/N.

I would go for the lowest common denominator and use a RC K98 for the LSR project and save or sell this rifle.
 
Coyote Ugly said:
Looks to be Czech or East German Rebuild (black dip or blueing). Stock looks Yugo with the stamped S/N.

I would go for the lowest common denominator and use a RC K98 for the LSR project and save or sell this rifle.
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Give 'er. You know it shoots, it's a mis-match and you already own it. If you're going to the time & effort to properly scope a k98, you NEED to start with a rifle that shoots - If a rifle don't shoot before you scope it, it'll only get worse as the picture gets bigger.

I don't know about "the lowest common denominator" but this is about as close to a historically insignificant rifle as I would be comfortable sinking that kind of $$$ into.

My $0.02 anyway.

CanadianAR said:
Please dont modify that!!!
Anything with nazi proofs doesnt need to be destroyed. Lots of guys will pay that those.
Including my self.......lol
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Lots of stuff out there with Reich stamps and Waffs... But a $300 mismatch is still a $300 mismatch. A good shooter should be enjoyed. It's not being destroyed, it's no different than all the Mosin sniper knock-offs and about ten times cooler if it's done right. I had always hoped somebody would bring in a pile of k98 sniper repros so we could all have one of each...

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Well, it may be a refurb but they were very careful to keep the parts matching. That is worth a lot. There are not stamped out numbers that I can see either. The band and sight cover are either late or post war. All in all a very nice example. Lots of people on this site would pay handsomely for it.

In the end, it is your rifle and you should do what you want with it. As mentioned above, waffenampts aren't rare by any means. Matching WWII era K98s are though. Not extremely rare but these days hard and expensive to come by.

IMHO, there are some extremely well preserved RC K98s out there and some are made by very desirable manufacturers. I would put it up for trade plus money for an excellent grade RC and do the LSR project from there. If you're not worried about an extra $100+ then go ahead and do your project. I would probably stick with a proven shooter if I were doing it.
 
You're a fool to drill and tap it. Especially with so many pre-drilled K98s out there. Sell it to someone who appreciates it for what it is.
 
WooHoo

Thank you for all the thoughtful input! I have owned and sold several German K98k rifles. None of them shot under 4 MOA, including the minty Portuguese contract M/41 and the pristine East German refurb. This was a birthday gift. I cleaned it up, took it to the range and shot MOA. Milsurp, factory; it didn't seem to matter much.

So as it has been determined that I am not destroying a factory original, it's off to the gunsmith. I will be posting photos of the finished rifle if you're interested.
 
well what can you do, it is your rifle in the end.

In relation to my previous post, I didn't mean that re-matched is a bad thing, she is actually quite nice (looks like the bolt originally matched the receiver and was not force matched ?). I have seen a few East German refurbed Kar98ks that have all of their markings scrubbed but yours are intact for the most part. Add to that she is very clean and the bluing is quite attractive. She probably sits between $450-500 perhaps more as I am no expert on post war refurb Kar98k values. Considering she is matching numbers, she may be worth some more to the right collector.

Now that I think about it she may even be a post war Yugo refurb. The swastika is intact which is more than I can say about other post war refurbs.

I do hope you re-consider and perhaps keep her the way she is or sell her to fund your scope mounting project. I am sure there is a list of takers eyeballing that rifle as we speak.
 
Don't mess it up with a bunch of holes, sell it to someone who will appreciate it the way it is and take the money and get something "ready to go" from Tradeex / whoever. JNHO - FWIW ---- John303.
 
Looks like an early East German refurb to me.

It's your rifle, but if I was going to make a faux-sniper, I would use a cleaned up RC.
 
To me it's too nice a k98 to drill and tap. I think it is a Yugo refurb because of the serial stamped on the side of the butt. There are lots of Russian Captures out there with good bores, you might even find someone willing to trade for one already drilled.
 
Regardless, East German or Yugo, it is a legitimate variant that came out of an official refurbishment program. Its not a bitser parts gun.
 
as the barrel and action do match. and byf 44 is the year that Mauser produced the most snipers. maybe you should look at getting a zf41 scope and mount. As not to damage the action.
 
Hopefully on your LSR project, you are using an Original German WW2 Scope.

The Repro Scopes came in 3 grades, first, seconds and thirds (pricing went down as the number went up! 1st, 2nd, 3rd), and were sold as such by the US dealers (Coles) with the repro mount. Like a 3rd Condition Scope was about $79.00 to $99.00 a few years back before they sold out.
On Gunboards, a lot of people complained that after a few shots the internals of the scope were out of alignment and had problems holding zero. Also, On the thirds, some of the the three post recticle wires weren't always lined up properly.
I guess your mileage can and will vary with an el cheapo scope.

The bottom line, You get what you pay for.
 
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