Verney-Carron goes BANG!

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Went to the range last week with a buddy.

He was going to shoot his brand new Verney-Carron 7x65 double rifle for the first time.

I did some shooting then looked along to his bench and he was sitting there looking stunned and then he got up shaking.

I asked why he looked white a a sheet and he said both barrels had discharged with one pull of the trigger.

He couldn't shoot his other guns very well for the rest of the session he was shaking so much.
 
I've had that happen with 12 ga. SxS's. In the case of old guns it's likely a worn sear. For a new gun, the sear was most likely never set up properly to begin with. I would be in contact with the makers.

Double discharges are annoying, and get your attention, but it's just a bit of extra recoil. At least it wasn't a .600 nitro.
 
9.3mauser said:
I've had that happen with 12 ga. SxS's. In the case of old guns it's likely a worn sear. For a new gun, the sear was most likely never set up properly to begin with. I would be in contact with the makers.

Double discharges are annoying, and get your attention, but it's just a bit of extra recoil. At least it wasn't a .600 nitro.
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I was kinda s######ing at the expense of MD's buddy.
Thinking that it was an accidental discharge of both barrels.
Now, if it where the .600 Nitro I am sure there would be more to the story.
MD,I apologize for s######ing at your buddies experience and hope he truly is just a little tender from the days event.
Has the gun been checked over to determine if there was a mechanical failure or something else cause the a/d of two rounds at once?
Is he keeping the gun?
Rob
 
MD said:
Went to the range last week with a buddy.

He was going to shoot his brand new Verney-Carron 7x65 double rifle for the first time.

I did some shooting then looked along to his bench and he was sitting there looking stunned and then he got up shaking.

I asked why he looked white a a sheet and he said both barrels had discharged with one pull of the trigger.

He couldn't shoot his other guns very well for the rest of the session he was shaking so much.
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Poor guy, his double 7.65 doubled? I wonder how he noticed...did it recoil as much as a 30-06 or something? Wait until he has a real serious double rifle double and report back.

I wonder, did he pull the front trigger and have his finger slip onto the rear?
 
I don't know if it has a single or double trigger.

He is good friends with the guys at Reliable. He may bring it to Shane or just send it back to the dealer.

He is a very experienced shooter with a huge collection of rifles.

I too was a bit surprised at his reaction. It seemed a little exaggerated.
 
I have an Angelo Zoli 12g that does this...one of the firing pins is broken and stays forward. The recoil of the first sets off the second. Reminds me...I need to get that fixed. Its a really nice handling O/U.
 
Well, I'm glad this has never happened with my Baikal 45-70 double. With the 460gr hand loads, recoil is pretty stiff in such a light rifle, never mind two shots at once.
I had a 12 guage that doubled not infrequently, but I figured that just helped make up for my poor duck hunting skills at the time.
 
I doubled a .500 Nitro by harping the triggers. Since each barrel fired as a separate single event, the recoil was no worse than normal, despite the fact that there was only the sound of a single shot, the barrels just rose a bit higher than is usually the case. Had you pal's rifle fired so both barrels went off simultaneously, rather than as two separate events in rapid succession, I can imagine it got his attention. If the experience shook him up that badly, he has a long road to recovery ahead of him, and he might never be able to shoot that double very well. Best to start by shooting significantly reduced loads in the rifle that hurt him.
 
It does happen, my Merkel .470 NE doubled on me once with no explanation or reason. Never happened again, called John @ Wolverine and was advised that under certain conditions this can happen and if it persisted to return the gun for inspection and repair. However it only happened that once and that was 500 or so rounds ago.
Now when a 470 NE doubles on one, it gives one cause to pause and exclaim WTF. I cannot see a 7X65 doubling as being a very traumatic event...........300-350 grns of bullet at 2600-2700 fps, sounds an awful lot like firing a regular 375 load, from an 8 1/2 to 9 lb rifle. I cannot see this as being a life changing event whether expected or not, might make one go HHHMMMM, but that really should be the extant of the trauma.
 
c-fbmi said:
It does happen, my Merkel .470 NE doubled on me once with no explanation or reason. Never happened again, called John @ Wolverine and was advised that under certain conditions this can happen and if it persisted to return the gun for inspection and repair. However it only happened that once and that was 500 or so rounds ago.
Now when a 470 NE doubles on one, it gives one cause to pause and exclaim WTF. I cannot see a 7X65 doubling as being a very traumatic event...........300-350 grns of bullet at 2600-2700 fps, sounds an awful lot like firing a regular 375 load, from an 8 1/2 to 9 lb rifle. I cannot see this as being a life changing event whether expected or not, might make one go HHHMMMM, but that really should be the extant of the trauma.
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I think the fellow was expecting the mild recoil normally associated with a heavy rifle, chambered for a cartridge of moderate power, and got something more. Perhaps his shoulder pocket was open, or maybe the butt was too far over on the ball of his shoulder, maybe he crawled the stock a bit, or didn't have a firm grip with his shooting hand, and/or he decided to let the piece free recoil, rather than hold down the forend. Applying a combination of those "mistakes" to a .375 would make the recoil shy whimper.
 
There seems to be a vein of thought, over on AR, that Merkel is fairly easy to double. I doubled my K-gun one day, by way of not holding it right, and the front got away on me a bit, grabbed wrong with tightening up the trigger hand and got the rear trigger. 30R isn't that bad as it goes, still one of those WTF moments though. Tried it purposefully one day as well, no big deal, at least with that cartridge. Didn't get a true double discharge, but it was a quick one, had to hang on to it.
Not sure what happened with your friend's VC, but, it is likely he did it, not the gun.
 
It is my opinion as well that the doubling was most likely an operator error. Several people have doubled my 470 NE but one can always tell, as there is a definite ba-boom. When it doubled on me it was a single boom and having shot it a lot at that point, I know I didn't stutter the triggers, it was a legitimate double. Advise your friend to start with the rear trigger first until he becomes used to shooting his double, it's specific trigger pulls and it's recoil level. This usually solves the doubling problem and he can change to a front rear combo later. As the cartridge is not a DG cartridge it won't matter much if he never gets onto the front rear combo which is a few milliseconds quicker for a second shot than the rear front combo. I grew up shooting a 2 trigger double shotgun so my double rifle is almost second nature to me, I find it shoulders and shoots just like a heavy shotgun and it's all very natural to me. However it does take some getting used to if one is not infinitely familiar with double triggers and the requisite grip with the trigger pulling hand.
 
Had this happen to me with my sxs 12 ga, single trigger. I realized that it was my shooting technique of keeping finger on the trigger to long after the shot. The recoil would reset the search and the resting would touch off the second shot. Sold it and went back to a double trigger.
 
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