versamax tactical *legal* discussion

[hercster]

This is all that's going to happen. They'll see it, look up the FRT and then decide 5 rounds x 3" for the tactical model.

So here's how it goes for us VMT guys.5.8 x 3 = the capacity of 3 inch shells. Set up this way, you have 5.8 x 5= 17.4 / 2.75 = 6>7 2.75 inch shells.

That's the way my gun is set up ie. with the extension that would normally give me 8 x 3 plugged to give me 6 x 2.75. When I go to the US, the plug go out to be replaced with a "plus 2" cap for 10 + 1 for the games down there.

 

[relic38]

It doesn't seem worth the risk. But...
I understand the logic that the receiver is designed for 3.5" shells, so the receiver's attached magazine should be limited to not more than 5x3.5".
Unfortunately, the markings for chamber size are on the (removable) barrel. Therefore, in the field, you are likely to get screwed since it's the only official chamber size marking on the gun.

As a somewhat related example, the AR platform is easily converted from .223 to .22LR. Once you do this completely reversible change, you can use unlimited magazine capacity. In fact, many of the kits include a 25 round magazine. The 30 second conversion involves swapping the bolt carrier and magazine. Same barrel and receiver. Note that the receiver is still marked for .223REM and/or 5.56NATO, but it's perfectly OK to load up 25 rounds of .22LR.

In other words, the magazine capacity of the gun is based on what is chamberable, which may not always be what the markings on the gun state. It probably would not holdup in court though, and in the VersaMax situation, will likely get you into court.

 

[mebiuspower]

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...x-broke-in?p=10009656&viewfull=1#post10009656

The FRT tables state that the tactical model is designated a 3" gun.
The Sportsman is 3.5"

Everyone is free to do what they wish, but be aware of the potential for a bad day should the stars align.

/end thread

 

[Stevo]

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...x-broke-in?p=10009656&viewfull=1#post10009656

The FRT tables state that the tactical model is designated a 3" gun.
The Sportsman is 3.5"

Everyone is free to do what they wish, but be aware of the potential for a bad day should the stars align.

And if you put a 3.5" barrel on your VMT? What then?

Edit: A guy could probably get someone like Casey at Tac Ord to open the chamber up to 3.5" (if it isn't already) and re-mark the barrel. The FRT entry becomes irrelevant.

 

[Dweano]

Just buy a sportsman and cut down the barrel to 18.5"...get a 3.5 chamber and your short barrel too!!

 

[hercster]

Just buy a sportsman and cut down the barrel to 18.5"...get a 3.5 chamber and your short barrel too!!

It's not quite as simple as that because you have the sight rib and sight to deal with. My VMT 22 has a fibre optic front sight which is an advantage to me. Most of the guys I shoot with in 3Gun in the US use a 26 inch barrel because it allows them to use a ten round extension without overhang. IMO, I see no practical value to the 22 inch barrel in three gun. All the best shooters I know in Texas buy the 26 and then add options and mods.

The beauty of the new Rem VMT is that it comes with just about everything out of the box. Now they even open the loading port which was a pricey mod. The total cost of the usual mods costs close to $900 in the US. I had part of it done and paid $400 because the VMT was close to complete.

 

[pauls]

And if you put a 3.5" barrel on your VMT? What then?

Edit: A guy could probably get someone like Casey at Tac Ord to open the chamber up to 3.5" (if it isn't already) and re-mark the barrel. The FRT entry becomes irrelevant.

I may be mistaken, but the model designation is linked to the serial number.
if you get to the point that an Leo is putting shells in your mag tube, serial numbers are being verified etc.
you want to run the risk of being determined to have a prohib shotgun, so be it.
Rare it will get that far, but not worth it for one round.
I dont seem to be having any issues placing well at matches with a 3 inch gun.
shotgun matches are won or lost with reloading.

 

[Stevo]

I may be mistaken, but the model designation is linked to the serial number.
if you get to the point that an Leo is putting shells in your mag tube, serial numbers are being verified etc.
you want to run the risk of being determined to have a prohib shotgun, so be it.
Rare it will get that far, but not worth it for one round.
I dont seem to be having any issues placing well at matches with a 3 inch gun.
shotgun matches are won or lost with reloading.

We're mostly arguing here based on what's least likely to result in being jacked up by the police. They're going to do that regardless of the law if they feel they should.

I guarantee you and I know the Firearms Act better than 99% of LEOs in Canada. And it won't help either of us if we encounter the wrong guy.

You say "why run the risk" and I say "why not do what's legal".