VERY different 1911A1 grips...

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I posted this on a 1911 forum, but thought CGNers might get a kick out of em, too...

Fellow Gun Nutz -

Here are a couple of interesting pairs of grips that I acquired around 30 years ago. First, a brief preamble to explain their supposed origin:

Back in the early '80's, a gunshop nearby (Lever Arms, in Vancouver) acquired a couple of crates of 1911A1's, supposedly recently released from behind the "iron curtain" in eastern Europe. The proof of this is, of course, not available, although I was there when the rusty nails were pulled to open the first crate. The guns inside were, for the most part, heavily coated in cosmoline & wrapped in wax paper, but many were nonetheless in poor shape, missing lots of parts, or too corroded to be brought back to life. The best of them, at least as perspective shooters, had been heavily buffed (no original markings left & new serial numbers stamped in) & nickel plated. I bought several, intent on building at least one good shooter out of the parts of the 4 that I bought.

Interestingly, each had different grips, some of which I thought were interesting, but not my style. Somewhere, I have more, with red & white checkers, for instance, that appear to have been made of a bakelite-type material, although 4-5 house moves later, these are hiding on me.

Now, however (30+ years later), dragging some of them out again, I find myself interested in the grips all over again.

The first pair are crudely cast metal, quite heavy, and appear to be possibly Mayan in design. I still don't know what they're made of - the magnetic, thermal transference, and specific gravity tests I did seems to eliminate silver, brass, tin, pewter, steel, tungsten, and a host of other common metals. They appear as though they're gold-plated silver, but I don't believe that's the case. They do fit a 1911 well, though. How such a pair of grips could possibly have found their way to eastern Europe during WWII is a mystery, indeed.

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I had initially written off the next pair as cheap plastic. I have since done considerable research and testing, and determined that they are genuine tortoise shell. As trade in this material has been effectively banned since 1947, it seems likely that these are likely exceptionally rare. Held up to the light, they are quite beautiful - the growth rings become visible, and the scaled pattern from the shell itself is clearly visible on the back of each piece. What annoys me is that I have at least one other pair of these...which are in hiding with others that I haven't yet located.

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Anyway, I thought the collectors of weird & wonderful grips among you might have some comments or observations...
 
Really nice find! What became of the pistols?

Oh, they are still out there somewhere for sure....

Here's one of the $99 "special" Lever Arms 1911's from circa 1990 that came out of the crates as described above [and was later worked over]:

Before:

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After:

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Interestingly, all of the one's I 'selected' back in the day either had no grips or the GI plastic 'Keyes' type grips.

I do recall seeing a number of them with grips like above, though.

Ah, the memories, eh?

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I'm no anthropologist but those top grips look more like something out of ancient Persia. Perhaps someone in Persia (Iran after 1935) made them and they found their way into Eastern Europe.
 
Interestingly, NAA & I have been fast friends for decades, and we were at Lever Arms together at the time, with a couple of other buddies. Among us, we bought around a dozen of these old guns (note that NAA's gun, above, is a 1911...all of mine were 1911A1's, and none turned out as nice as his did!). I have three of mine left - one became an IPSC gun, one became the platform for my Colt .22 Conversion Kit (and I have another .45 slide partially ready to go on the frame, configured identically to the .22 conversion), and one is pretty much as I got it back in the day, but cleaned up & functional. I sold the other couple, years ago. Kind of wish I'd kept them, now...
 
I'm no anthropologist but those top grips look more like something out of ancient Persia. Perhaps someone in Persia (Iran after 1935) made them and they found their way into Eastern Europe.

Anything's possible, for sure. To my unpracticed eye (I'm no anthropologist, that's for sure) they look to have a Mayan or Inca influence. Since I'm going to Mexico in a couple of weeks (near the Tulum Mayan ruins on the Caribbean), I'll take photos with me & see if anyone there can elucidate. The residents are immensely proud of their Mayan heritage, and many are extremely knowledgeable...they may be able to identify the character depicted on the grips, if indeed they are Mayan.
 
At first glance I agreed with Maximum, but I just checked images of ancient persian sculpture online and none had the elaborate headress, nor earings, and the beards and hair were depicted differently. But the style of sculpture is very similar. i'd guess at one of the other civilizations in the area of ancient Persia. But that's just a guess.
 
Mayan/Inca/##### Kings and Priests are often depicted blood letting through either their tongues or foreskins {I've only seen a rope with thorns used not a spear}, I don't believe this practice was ever in place in Persia. If I had to bet, I'd say they're Mexican.
 
On first look, thought it might be Persian too...old Zoroastrian god image...closer look, doesn't seem to be the case...
Beautiful grips though...anybody find the origin...please post! Curiosity is eating me now!
 
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