Very Frustrated Sighting in Rifle Please Help **Updated with pic**

He actually mentions that shot 1/2 were from the prone (sounds like it was unrested). 3/4 are rested so I would take 3/4 to be the more accurate indicator of the POA/POI for adjustment purposes.
 
Lesson learned. Use your good padded rest when shooting!!
Dial it down the cliks, as described to you, then a three shot group, best rest you can get, best trigger release you can get. When it is lined up, just keep squeezing the trigger until it goes off. You don't want to know when it is going to fire, just a steady squeeze until it surprises you and goes bang. Be sure and do every shot like that.I am saying this, beause if nothing is wrong with your outfit, I would say you yanked the trigger while shooting prone.
One other thing. Why would you have to turn the target on its side, for shooting prone?

Excellent advice. And I find it helps as Im squeezing the trigger to keep saying to myself: "don't go off...don't go off...don't go off" and when it does it is a surprise and no flinch.

Ron
 
Congrats for posting your tribulations and then getting all the advice. You are getting good advice. I have seen nothing I would dispute - an unusual occurence when so many people have posted.

I bet we have all gone though a situation not unlike yours and have learned from it. I know I have. Based on my experience:

Take the scope off, and LokTite (blue) the base screws. This is important because once the scope is installed, you can't check them for tightness. If you don't have LokTite, a drop of nail polish in the threads will suffice. Don't over tighten the bases screws. They can snap. (Go ahead - ask me how I know that. or ask me how I know that if the base screws are too long, the bolt won't close. etc.)

When the scope is off, give it a shake and see if you can hear anything. A Banner scope should work fine for your application, but any scope (any price) can be broken.
This would be a good time to clean the rifle. Leave some solvent in the barrel, and store it over night, muzzle down on a wad of paper towel. If there is a puddle of blue stain the next day, repeat. The rifle may as well be cleaning while you are waiting for the next chance to shoot. Wipe the barrel clean before going to the range.

The scope will reinstall real easily. You can do this at the range, so why not leave it off and fire three shots at 25 yards with the iron sights, so you can make an adjustment, if needed. A set of zeroed iron sights is a wonderful 9 and cheap) Plan B. Everyone should have a Plan B.

Reinstall the scope. I tighten the knobs with a quarter, because that is what I will have in the field if I have to take the scope off and revert to iron sights (if scope gets broken or fogs). Make sure the little scope ring screws are tight (but don't break them).

You have not mentioned rings, but I assume they are Weaver type, and a low set, not see-thru. See thru would be very high, uncomfortable, have a different trajectory from what the posters have assumed, and dangerous. The danger is that if you use the iron sights, the scope might be very close to your skull. While most of us have been kissed by a scope, and wear the little scar as a badge of honour, getting whacked in the head when in a tree stand can lead to nasty consequences. (Go ahead – ask me how I know that? No, I did not do it but heard all about from a guy who did and I have chosen to learn from HIS experience.)

Ok, now you are at the range, ready to fire the rifle. Your jacket on top of the block of wood is fine. But, you could take an old wool sock and fill it with 2 pounds of dried white beans or split peas and tie it closed with a knot. A light shooting rest to sit on that block of wood. With a light hunting rifle I suggest you rest the back of your forward hand on the bag (or jacket) and hold the forend so it more closely resembles how it will be in the field.

I like the idea of shooting 3 shot groups. The group can shift as the barrel warms. You want a hunting rifle zeroed for a cold barrel, not a warm one.

The bullet has to rise from below your line of sight through the scope, pass through the line of sight, go higher then drop back down to hit the target at 100 yards. An inch low to bang on at 25 yards is about right. I would fire a group at 25, see how much movement is required (16 clicks to the inch) make the adjustment and fire again. The new group should be in the right direction and about the right amount of change. If a clicker is broken or if you cranked it the wrong way, the problem should be obvious.
If it moved in the right direction, then you can fire 3 shots at 100 yards. Bt the time you get back from posting a target at 100, the barrel should be cool. It is usual to have to make an adjustment after the first 100 yard group.

Most guys will suggest a few inches high at 100. My experience in the East is only twice have I fired a shot over 100 yards. Most have been at 20 to 60 yards, so I would zero for bang on at 100. Your choice.

Hopefully you will have a chance to shoot again at 100, before you go hunting, to make sure the rifle still works. If it does not, the scope is pooched. A fixed power 2 ½ to 4 is an excellent, durable and reliable hunting scope. More money gets you more durability, better gas sealing and more repeatable clicks. At the cheaper end of the spectrum I prefer a fixed power to a zoom.

Here is a piece of trivia for you. Assuming a normal scope height, the 25 yard zero is the velocity of the rifle, in yards. 2000 fps? Zero at 20 yards. 2500fps? Zero at 25 yards. 3000 fps? Zero at 30 yards. A good rule of thumb, in case you don’t have a laptop and ballistics program with you at the range.

Let us know how it works out. Don't be embarrassed to report a loose scope base. We have all been there.
 
I had a similar problem. I was sighting in a Savage 99C in .308 with an old Bushnell scope. For some reason I want to say it was also a 4x but it might have been a 6x. It was my first time sighting in. I went through 2 boxes before I went back inside to ask my dad what the heck I was doing wrong.

At first he wondered why I was using 180gr .308. In his humble opinion, and mine now as well, it is unnecessary for deer. The 180gr reacts "wildly" after about 75 -100 yards. Not that it shouldn't come within 8" of where you are aiming. But it just doesn't seem to sit still. It might be that I was twitching (but I doubt it) but my dad doesn't twitch. And I also find this with my Savage 12FVSS at distances of 200 yards and over.

Anyway. I switched to 168gr and the gun still reacted erratically. 150s and I still couldn't hit what I wanted. I could hit a 4x8 piece of plywood...... but couldn't come close to getting it down to within a foot.

To make a long story short. We took that scope off and put a new Bushnell 3200 3x9 on it. Worked like a charm. Quickly got it to within 2 inches at 100 yards which was good enough for me at the time. We still had a box of 180gr so we did a test. Sure enough they were flying all over the place. Probably around the 12moa.

Pretty sure your scope is fubar. But I could be wrong. What I do know is that those 180gr bullets sure rock the lightweight 99's. Could mess up a cheap scope really easy.
 
Just a thought, but if the gun has an inexpensive scope it probably has inexpensive mounts, Weaver bases. It not hard to get the wrong number bases on the receiver. Or maybe they are reversed. This could account for being close at 50 and off the target at 100. Just a possibility.


My thoughts exactly.
 
Well believe it or not I took all the advice, I dialed it down A LOT, around 50 clicks and I was getting good groupings at 25 yards. I went out to 100 again and was getting close but quit once my shoulder was sore and my hands were cold, and my step son was getting bored, all these things were contributing to poor shots I think. So I left it for another day, I'm hoping to get out Saturday once I get back from work to make minor tweaks. I ended up making a sand bag out of an old pair of jeans and a few cups of rice, that helped a lot when resting the stock on the wood rest. Thanks again everyone, I've learned a lot.
 
If using loctite on the screws i would go with purple instead of blue as it is made for machine screws and blue in particular brands is considered permanent on bolts less than 1/4''.
 
Sand bags are a good start. I never sight in a rifle at 25yds. I always start at 100yds, using a 4'x6' backboard covered in paper. You can get brown wrapping paper by the roll for $1.00. Works great, and usually I'm right where I want it in 2 shots. Then I shoot some groups....Saves a lot of frustrations.
 
And you are wearing some sort of ear protection? No ear protection could lead to flinching or poor shooting.
Sounds like you are getting there.
 
My 99c 308 is giving 2in groups at 200m consistantly with either factory Winchester ammo or my reloads although my loads group tighter and higher. Sweet ride that and my new fave.
 
Highly unlikely, but not impossible, for the mounts to be transposed. #14 and #19 (IIRC) are two different profiles, with the #19 profiled to fit the slope on the back of the receiver.
I have seen so many different drill and tap jobs on the 99's over the years, with bases offset. Check the alignment with a quality straight edge.
 
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