Very good to excellent bore ....

davemccarthy707 said:
Milsurps are modern firearms. Just because they are old, doesn't mean they are antique.

As an example, would you rate a 1948 Winchester Model 70 differently than a 1948 Yugo M48 ?

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/antique-historique-eng.htm
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A Winchester model 70 hasn't gone to war. Can't compare apples to oranges.

I agree a bore condition should be finely described. I'm not arguing that point, but according to NRA modern firearm grading all Milsurps are essentially poor condition. Whether it be bore, dings, finish wear, mismatched parts.

NRA grading isn't just bore condition.
 
SHELL SHUCKER said:
I now would prefer personal inspection of a given rifles' bore, especially from shmucks that say "I'm a blah-ba-blah collector".

Collector types are not generally gunsmith types.:eek:
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Neither are most shooters......

You don't need to be a gunsmith to describe bore condition. Just honest and not too lazy.
 
CanadianAR said:
A Winchester model 70 hasn't gone to war. Can't compare apples to oranges.

I agree a bore condition should be finely described. I'm not arguing that point, but according to NRA modern firearm grading all Milsurps are essentially poor condition. Whether it be bore, dings, finish wear, mismatched parts.

NRA grading isn't just bore condition.
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Exactly, you made my point. Milsurps are not antiques as much as you want them to be. NRA grading is for modern firearms. Granpa's 1942 Longbranch is a modern firearm, sorry.
 
For sale 1890 Lee Metford slightly under 2,000 black powder rounds fired ,corresponding amounts of cordite fired.Used as my families hunting rifle for the last 114 years.Frosted bore with a touch of pitting.Slight provenance of Boer War use.Picture collectors and low ballers will be ignored.Of course if I would sell this rifle someone would complain the rifling is not pristine and that is why I buy and do not sell!
 
davemccarthy707 said:
Exactly, you made my point. Milsurps are not antiques as much as you want them to be. NRA grading is for modern firearms. Granpa's 1942 Longbranch is a modern firearm, sorry.
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i`m glad the enfield parts places in the states dont agree with you.
and what exactly does dark bore mean? was it neglected at some point and rusted, followed by a clean up?
i know my No1 is dark bored, but chamber is clean and shoots straight
 
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Claven2 said:
I try to rate bores on a scale of 10. My 8 is most people's 9.5, I'll bet. At 9, it looks new but has some barely perceptible wear. If it's 8 or less, I try to subjectively describe why (i.e. fine pitting in grooves for half the length).

I've rec'd some real disappointments on EE purchases though.
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Agreed. For a 9, or 90%, I'd think that you could tell the bore had seen some shooting and thats about it. Minor pitting doesn't make a gun a wall hanger, but I would personally question a rating that says pitting and 9/10 in the same sentance.

Of course there are not universally accepted standards for grading, so everyone gets to fluff up the pillow to their own liking. Good pictures are worth 100x that of an excellent description. A good picture of a bore with a light coming through it is unfortunatly like finding hen's teeth. They are usually blurry messes that remind me of being woke up in the middle of the night by a flashlight in the eye.
 
TargetAcquired said:
Of course there are not universally accepted standards for grading, so everyone gets to fluff up the pillow to their own liking. Good pictures are worth 100x that of an excellent description. A good picture of a bore with a light coming through it is unfortunatly like finding hen's teeth. They are usually blurry messes that remind me of being woke up in the middle of the night by a flashlight in the eye.
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In fairness, it's actually hard to get a decent bore picture with most cameras, unless it's a large caliber. Sometimes I can do it, other times I just give up and list a written description.
 
I've had good luck except for two: One, a Mosin Nagant that was quite pitted, but with lots of rifling described as excellent. There is no way he even looked, because even after a thorough scrubbing it was fair at best. I gave that one to my sister, as it was a good shooter. The second, a Lee Enfield No4mk1 that came as a sewer pipe with a stock. That one was horrible, but the seller sent me another, that was unpitted, but with much less rifling... I lived with it, but learned a lesson; seeing is believing, everything else is subjective. Buy milsurps in person, or from a picky bast4rd that you trust.
 
davemccarthy707 said:
Exactly, you made my point. Milsurps are not antiques as much as you want them to be. NRA grading is for modern firearms. Granpa's 1942 Longbranch is a modern firearm, sorry.
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And most milsurp designs are antique in nature. Lee, Mauser, mosin all predate 1900 making the design antique but manufacture date may seem modern.

I guess a my mausers are good or less condition according to NRA, even though notes are amazing, they have finish wear and the odd bump to the wood. Lol
 
CanadianAR said:
And most milsurp designs are antique in nature. Lee, Mauser, mosin all predate 1900 making the design antique but manufacture date may seem modern.

I guess a my mausers are good or less condition according to NRA, even though notes are amazing, they have finish wear and the odd bump to the wood. Lol
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That means every commercial bolt rifle is antique. Let the RCMP know lol.
 
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