Vice takes a look at the Trackingpoint
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Hhahahaa. "smell that.... 'Merica".
If it doesn't gauge wind downrange, it's doing very little. Sounds like it might be just a atmosphere measuring tool and adjustable scope based off laser range finder. Wonder how you add velocity though?
Interesting though. I've watched a few vids on it now.
If it doesn't gauge wind downrange, it's doing very little. Sounds like it might be just a atmosphere measuring tool and adjustable scope based off laser range finder. Wonder how you add velocity though?
Interesting though. I've watched a few vids on it now.
Interesting development. I wonder how reliable that electronic trigger is in wet / sandy / dirty conditions. That scope is hardly a do-all if you still need to figure out the wind. I've been shooting LR for a few years now and wind is by far the most challenging factor to figure out.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Merica must smell just like Australian manufactured gunpowder.
It could be that the full capabilities of the system were not disclosed. For instance, I would expect that the scope is programmable for a specific G-7 at a specific velocity, and that there would be a simple method of changing the bullet paramaneters. Wind is certainly a primary consideration to any marksman, as is rifle cant. The X style reticle, as shown in the video, doesn't seem to facilitate an accurate repeatable means of leveling the rifle, and it doesn't take much cant to dump a round left or right at long range. While the system might be friendly to the novice shooter, I can see where it might drive an experienced long range shooter crazy, when he's on the trigger and the damn rifle doesn't fire. I certainly don't see the need for hand wringing over the morality of the system, except by those who wish that the technology that provides man' with the ability to kill from a distance had stopped when David slew Goliath. I suppose if you want to sell a new concept though, the hand wringers make the product more desirable to those of us who aren't.
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Fired this at SHOT this year. it has some neat features. The bluetooth/android bit is cool, but overall it's underwhelming - at this point.
The scope is electronic - it's not look through. Batteries die, no shooting. The scope doesn't mount on any rifle - it's a system with a custom rifle and electronic trigger.
The tracking relies on contrast as well - so it won't work well against anything camouflaged for the surrounding.
And the aforementioned wind. Expert shooters know how to read wind, and don't need it. Novice shooters don't read wind and can't use it except in perfect conditions or with an experienced wind coach/spotter.
The price tag is also $23K to $28 K. You also have to use their custom Xact Shot Barnes ammunition which I'm sure would not be cheap.
For $23 K you could buy a great long range rig, an android phone with a ballistic app, a top shelf range finder, a loading set up, take some world class marksmanship and wind courses - and still have money left to go to hunting.
The scope is electronic - it's not look through. Batteries die, no shooting. The scope doesn't mount on any rifle - it's a system with a custom rifle and electronic trigger.
The tracking relies on contrast as well - so it won't work well against anything camouflaged for the surrounding.
And the aforementioned wind. Expert shooters know how to read wind, and don't need it. Novice shooters don't read wind and can't use it except in perfect conditions or with an experienced wind coach/spotter.
The price tag is also $23K to $28 K. You also have to use their custom Xact Shot Barnes ammunition which I'm sure would not be cheap.
For $23 K you could buy a great long range rig, an android phone with a ballistic app, a top shelf range finder, a loading set up, take some world class marksmanship and wind courses - and still have money left to go to hunting.
To that I agree. It helps beginners with the basics, or speeds up more advanced users, but it definitely doesn't make the shot for you, nor would I trust it to guage long range accurate shots.
In relatively steady wind, their 1000yard shots weren't anything spectacular. Definitely not enough to to make an ethical kill. At 600, yea, the parameters change and the size to hit becomes much, much, easier even without this fancy device. Over 600 is where skill is required when wind reading means hit or miss.
For instance, we were shooting with a 338AI, 300WM, and two 308's at 1100yards the other weekend. Wind was moderate and variable. We had my Kestrel 2500, and another guys Kestrel 4500balistic (basically the same thing as this scope). With all the information this scope gives and our hits weren't to the point where we could make ethical shots. Most were animal hits, but our target (12") was skirted with shots for the most part. The problem with where we shoot is the wind swirls. Often the wind is going the opposite direction from point of shooting. It's also always strongly variable at the other location so the info you have where you are shooting is worth very, very little, even with fancy wind and atmosphere readings.
For refence, I've hit 1000yard 12" gong 4/5 times in low wind conditions. I've also gone 5/5 on a 5" at 600. When variable or slightly windy I definitely can't do that over and over. I'm not tooting my own horn because that's nothing to brag about, but it shows that my wind reading skills is lacking and where the actual skill is required.
- Location
- Victoria, BC (temporarily Toronto)
Like I said before. It will be purchased by high end guide companies/ranches and rich ppl with more money than brains. That pretty much sums up their market base.
It was fun to play with but I'm not quite in their income range to get one anytime in my lifetime
It was fun to play with but I'm not quite in their income range to get one anytime in my lifetime
To put things in perspective, the x-ring for F-Class is 5 inches and the 10 ring is 10 inches, at 1000 yards. Top tier FTR shooters (.308 with bipod and rear bag only) will hit the 10 ring 90% of the time in a 20 shot string,and the x-ring 60-70% of the time ( I have seen many hit the 10 ring 100% of the time). It takes good equipment and training to do this, but you could fund your shooting and training for years for 28K, at the end you would be an excellent shooter.
The Buris Elimonator is something that can be mounted onto many firearms you set it up with the bullet you use and it tells you the drop but not the wind the same as this rifle does how does it know about the wind and with an electronic trigger not knowing to drift it left or right based on the trees moving or not moving is a flaw. With an electric trigger like that it doesn't take into account wind and if you can't drift it because you tagged something and the wind is picking up or the animal or person moves then what retag and do it again...
