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I've owned a half dozen Benelli semi-autos and while they are great guns and work very well they are also marketed brilliantly and get potential buyers salivating when the reality just isn't as interesting. They are simple, reliable, well made guns but they are also very over priced for what you get. $2k+ for an injection moulded plastic stock and CNC machined parts. I much prefer my wood Benellis, they look and feel much nicer. The Vinci is slick but nothing special at all and it has no soul.
Just my thoughts
Patrick
Just my thoughts
Patrick
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To me there is a point when modern guns try so hard to cram in modern features that they just end up ridiculous. Some of the new Benelli/Beretta offerings fit this description. Phoney carbon fibre, flashy graphics, giant front beads, crazy names, laser/acid etched engraving and super futuristic lines are what I am referring to. A gun without soul may be perfectly utilitarian and extremely functional but if I am spending $2k, I want some soul, some nice wood, traditional lines, old school feel/balance. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want those things in a duck blind when its -10 and snowing but I like them on the skeet field and in the upland woods.
The Vinci is popular for some folks but it doesn't do anything that say an M2 wouldn't do and an M2 is a tried/true design. The M2 doesn't have a lot of character either, but it will cost you almost $1k less.
My overarching point is that lots of folks get all hot and bothered over the marketing of a gun only to find out the reality is just "meh". I've purchased all my Benellis on sale or used and don't regret any of them but I would never pay full retail for one, especially nowadays
Patrick
The Vinci is popular for some folks but it doesn't do anything that say an M2 wouldn't do and an M2 is a tried/true design. The M2 doesn't have a lot of character either, but it will cost you almost $1k less.
My overarching point is that lots of folks get all hot and bothered over the marketing of a gun only to find out the reality is just "meh". I've purchased all my Benellis on sale or used and don't regret any of them but I would never pay full retail for one, especially nowadays
Patrick
I have a Benelli SuperSport. I personally like it very much and others who have it like it too. This "soul" business, to me, is nonsense. The shotgun world, especially in clays and skeet is quite snobby. I have zero tolerance for that. Functionality is everything to me, but that is just me.
The plastic Benelli is quite reliable if you use anything over superlight loads. I don't have to worry about stains, rain or general banging around. They are light and point really well. I regularly outshoot folks with shotguns costing over $10K.
In the end, you will shoot best with the gun that fits you at the weight you like. Its a a shotgun. If you have the proper lead and technique you will hit the clay and, to me, that's the only thing that counts. If you want to get good, put the money into buying a 1000 rounds of skeet or clays a year.
The plastic Benelli is quite reliable if you use anything over superlight loads. I don't have to worry about stains, rain or general banging around. They are light and point really well. I regularly outshoot folks with shotguns costing over $10K.
In the end, you will shoot best with the gun that fits you at the weight you like. Its a a shotgun. If you have the proper lead and technique you will hit the clay and, to me, that's the only thing that counts. If you want to get good, put the money into buying a 1000 rounds of skeet or clays a year.
I get your point on the soul and fully understand where you are coming from, but my preference is the plain matte black look and the comfort that if i want to take the same gun i'm at the club with into the bush or duck blind i don't want and second thoughts. In all honesty i'd actually prefer a little bit more weight to them but that's just me. I'm more interested in the vinci cordoba, because of the ported barrel and the marketing claim of the balance. I might change my mind when i hold on to one, and the prices OMG WTF....
Handle a black synthetic M2 before you buy a Vinci Cordoba and porting is BS in my view. Never noticed a difference other than noise, maybe a little on muzzle jump but not enough to worry about. You can still find M2's for around $1500 new if you look hard,
Patrick
Patrick
Soul, in this context, attempts to encompass all of the characteristics of a well-evolved gun. You may feel that itś not the best term to use, but itś only one word being used to describe a concept. The word may not fully convey the concept, but the concept is sound.
At the risk of putting words into phinton81ś mouth, I suspect the concept he is describing is the functionality of guns that have evolved over centuries. For example, walnut is not the material of choice for stocks by coincidence. It earned this nearly exclusive role by virtue of itś strength while remaining flexible, itś ability to resist cracking, and the fact that you can bend it and refinish it when required.
Synthetic stocks lack the flexibility and the feel of walnut. Itś like comparing a ##### to a dildo. Sure a dildo can achieve the required rigidity; sure itś the right shape; and to your point - itś totally functional. But, itś clearly not the same. You can´t adjust the cast on a synthetic stock, except with shims - again, not the same result. You can paint over a synthetic stock, but you can´t refinish it to original condition.
Equally, balance is not a uni-directional process. In other words, you don´t get a balanced gun by adding 12 ounces to the buttplate area. Guns are lifted, lowered, swung, and twisted in all directions when used. Properly balanced, a gun feels almost weightless in the shooterś hands.
Function consists of much more than the obvious characteristics. Us ¨Fudds¨, as those whose sensibilities are too coarse to discern the subtleties like to call us, have experience to guide our choices (keep calling us fudds, BTW, itś a compliment). Iḿ not surprised in the least that less experienced shotgunners see no downside to synthetic. Nor am I surprised at the attraction to bling (graphics, futuristic shapes and shiny crap). Young people always think new is better. We were the same way.
Actually, I am a senior and new to shotguns. I do appreciate that the fascination with guns (like other highly refined mechanisms) derives from the fact that they are the distilled product of hundred of years and millions of man-hours of evolution. Holding a well designed pistol or shotgun or rifle is a thing of beauty. Still, the newer designs have their attraction for me.
For example, Benelli is not going to put out a gun that is crap. They have a long tradition to maintain and they use new materials and designs in a conservative way.
All that being said, when it comes to hitting clays, it is the amount of practice you do and the attitude you bring to the game. A good shoot can hit with a modified sewer pipe. The mind finds a way.
For example, Benelli is not going to put out a gun that is crap. They have a long tradition to maintain and they use new materials and designs in a conservative way.
All that being said, when it comes to hitting clays, it is the amount of practice you do and the attitude you bring to the game. A good shoot can hit with a modified sewer pipe. The mind finds a way.
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Absolutely! At a comparatively lower price point, the M2 will do everything required of that and won't leave more to be desired in terms of build quality. I've owned M2s (both Wood and Plastic), SBE II and the BUL, handled/shot the Cordoba, the Vinci. Personally, I always prefered the M2.
LOL! I learned another new way of bringing shotgun related topics into perspective. If memory serves, on a previous occasion, it was Claybuster who had equated the PoW grip to something that looked like a "limp ####."
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The term Fudd is commonly incorrectly used. Fudd is a term used for a gun owner that supports gun control as long as it doesn't affect how they can use and own their guns. I wouldn't be proud at all to be called such a thing. If you own all old style guns and nothing modern but support anyone's choice of gun they wish to own, then you are not, in anyway,a Fudd.
I'm no Fudd by that definition. Thanks for the clarification - I dislike the misuse of terms, especially in context.
