Vortex Razor HD WTF!?! *UPDATE*

Claven2 said:
FWIW, I've had ZERO issues with the 1-4 Viper PST scope I have on my RFB - very pleasantly surprised by it. Normally I buy Leupold VXIII or better. Maybe others have had bad experiences, but so far my Vortex has been brighter, clearer and with more features than my Leupolds in the same magnification range. YMMV.
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I also have the 1-4 PST, as well as the 6-24x50 FFP. Also a Viper HD 20-60x80 spotting scope. No issues and really like the optics. Considering how many view these forums, a few bad examples don't make the product bad. All manufacturers have duds. Those who spend a crap load on top end products just don't advertise their problems, hence no threads. If there were a product out there at the same price levels as the Vortex, and absolutely 100% reviews, we'd all be using that product.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure I'll get flamed by someone.
 
I had a leupold M4 that did not track and a nightforce 1-4 with a dusty/speckled inner lense. The leupold was an easy warranty claim (waited 8 months) and the NF I sold at a huge loss. So would I refuse to use these two brands again... No, of course not! Vortex is on the cheaper end and may have a few bad apples but for the cost it's your gamble and not a bad one as far as the 1-4 PST goes. But all brands have lemons, I don't care what price they are at. At least the Vortex warranty is no hassle. Warranty for leupold is slow and good luck with NF as its and over the border issue.
 
*UPDATE* 10-09

I sent my scope in 10 days ago to Vortex Canada and they are sending a brand new one in return. No waiting no bull####, I'm very impressed!!!! This has to be the fastest service ever. Hope this one lasts... I will shooting the crap out of it as soon as it arrives
 
carlchevalier said:
*UPDATE* 10-09

I sent my scope in 10 days ago to Vortex Canada and they are sending a brand new one in return. No waiting no bulls**t, I'm very impressed!!!! This has to be the fastest service ever. Hope this one lasts... I will shooting the crap out of it as soon as it arrives
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Hopefully this new scope is problem free!! Between my brother's and I, we have 6 Vortex scopes...mostly the 6.5-20x44 Viper models which are mounted on rifles from 223 up to 338-06 & ZERO problems.

For long range precision we go with Sightron SIII's though...awesome glass for what you pay!!!
 
Hit 'r Miss said:
I also have the 1-4 PST, as well as the 6-24x50 FFP. Also a Viper HD 20-60x80 spotting scope. No issues and really like the optics. Considering how many view these forums, a few bad examples don't make the product bad. All manufacturers have duds. Those who spend a crap load on top end products just don't advertise their problems, hence no threads. If there were a product out there at the same price levels as the Vortex, and absolutely 100% reviews, we'd all be using that product.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure I'll get flamed by someone.
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Not at all, I took my 4-16x50 PST on my .30-06 out yesterday and today. I've been having no issues and am happy the way it's shooting. Sure was a step up on the old weaver I took off (the objective on that guy is not much bigger than the tube on the Vtx)
 
GOT IT!!!!!! 24 hours later boy I'm happy. 12 days from dropping my deffective one at the post office to receiving a brand new one by mail.
 
rivetc78 said:
Vortex is just another cheap scope priced high with some good marketing

Dealers push the product the make the most profit on.

All these scopes look the same. They are all pumped out of the same factory.

Vortex was the flavour of the year. Last year everybody wanted Falcon...next year? Another manufacturer will come along with the same crappy scopes but with the 'We are Built Better' and 'Built for Operators' Marketing and suck people in.
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I think this is a rather simplistic response. In the case of Vortex we just picked up the line so I have no long term history with the company. There are four model levels and they come from different plants. This company has only been selling rifle scopes since 2007 but have come on like gang busters in sales and positive feedback from consumers. Like many people I have been reluctant to jump into a new optics line as many have been offered to us that we did not pick up. I am very reluctant to bad mouth a line we do not carry with the exception of King Optics (please don't buy one). Most of the initial problems with Vortex scopes were with the Crossfire line which has been re engineered and replaced with Crossfire II's. Any scope (or product for that matter) can have problems but you would expect fewer problems as you go up the food chain. I researched Vortex extensively before picking it up and I am satisfied they make an excellent product for the cost and they do go out of their way for warranty support in the event of a problem. Phil.
 
P of PDent said:
I researched Vortex extensively before picking it up and I am satisfied they make an excellent product for the cost
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Phil,

What can you tell me about the turret tracking? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but this is the deal breaker for me and I'd like a professional opinion about whether they can track a box or not.


I'm putting together an M1A and am split between the Bushnel 3.5-21x50 (I know, Bushnell... *shudders*) and the Vortex PST 4-16x50.

Thanks
 
Two years ago, I was in your store talking with you about scopes. You basically told me that you weren't carrying Vortex because they were junk. What's changed Phil? You're just carrying the line because everyone else is and the margins are high. Stick with Bushnell and Leupold.



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QUOTE=P of PDent;7680662]I think this is a rather simplistic response. In the case of Vortex we just picked up the line so I have no long term history with the company. There are four model levels and they come from different plants. This company has only been selling rifle scopes since 2007 but have come on like gang busters in sales and positive feedback from consumers. Like many people I have been reluctant to jump into a new optics line as many have been offered to us that we did not pick up. I am very reluctant to bad mouth a line we do not carry with the exception of King Optics (please don't buy one). Most of the initial problems with Vortex scopes were with the Crossfire line which has been re engineered and replaced with Crossfire II's. Any scope (or product for that matter) can have problems but you would expect fewer problems as you go up the food chain. I researched Vortex extensively before picking it up and I am satisfied they make an excellent product for the cost and they do go out of their way for warranty support in the event of a problem. Phil.[/QUOTE]
 
derrick1978 said:
You basically told me that you weren't carrying Vortex because they were junk....Stick with Bushnell
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:jerkit:

Why should a business be forced to sell only things that can be found everywhere? I don't think it's your decision what a business can and cannot sell and I for one am happy to see even wholesale sports expanding their horizons. All that's missing from the Canadian market are some SWFA SS HDs!
 
Haagen_Dazs said:
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Why should a business be forced to sell only things that can be found everywhere? I don't think it's your decision what a business can and cannot sell and I for one am happy to see even wholesale sports expanding their horizons. All that's missing from the Canadian market are some SWFA SS HDs!
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Why don't you start a thread on how you got yours?
 
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I was trying to decide between the Bushnell HDMR and the PST. Here's what swayed me to the PST:

- The Bushy is a 34mm scope, hard to find the rings I want
- Bushy is heavy as an anchor
- I like the reticle better on the PST
- I wanted an MOA scope, and the Bushy only comes in MIL/MIL
- I liked the turrets and clicks better on the PST
- The Bushy is a few hundred bucks more money when comparing the two in FFP
- Vortex warranty is bullet proof in Canada, Bushy warranty can be hit and miss

My PST tracks flawlessly when tested against an optical grid-based bore sighter, as well as in actual field use.
 
Originally Posted by derrick1978
Why don't you start a thread on how you illegally imported yours?

I can tell you how I "Illegally " Imported several of mine

1) Purchase Scope of choice online in USA from Retailer or Private ,however you want
2) Have Seller ship Scope to a FFL in Montana
3) Paid Prophet River Firearms to Import it Legally for $25.00 Fee+GST+Shipping from AB to BC
4) Two weeks later Scope at my door
 
derrick1978 said:
Two years ago, I was in your store talking with you about scopes. You basically told me that you weren't carrying Vortex because they were junk. What's changed Phil? You're just carrying the line because everyone else is and the margins are high. Stick with Bushnell and Leupold.



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QUOTE=P of PDent;7680662]I think this is a rather simplistic response. In the case of Vortex we just picked up the line so I have no long term history with the company. There are four model levels and they come from different plants. This company has only been selling rifle scopes since 2007 but have come on like gang busters in sales and positive feedback from consumers. Like many people I have been reluctant to jump into a new optics line as many have been offered to us that we did not pick up. I am very reluctant to bad mouth a line we do not carry with the exception of King Optics (please don't buy one). Most of the initial problems with Vortex scopes were with the Crossfire line which has been re engineered and replaced with Crossfire II's. Any scope (or product for that matter) can have problems but you would expect fewer problems as you go up the food chain. I researched Vortex extensively before picking it up and I am satisfied they make an excellent product for the cost and they do go out of their way for warranty support in the event of a problem. Phil.
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You are mistaken in your description of my reason why we did not carry them. This also occured a couple of years ago with Browning when they would not sell to me. I was very careful in not saying bad things about the product...only the distribution. At this point we are now one the largest independant Browning/Winchester dealers in western Canada and no doubt Browning Canada realizes they missed the boat with us in the past. The same occurred with Vortex Optics as we were cut out of the distribution for internal reasons that I won't go into here. I found out after the fact that some of my staff members were bad mouthing the product in a misguided effort to support me in the past...they have since been corrected. I knew one day that we would be carrying Vortex and was careful not to bad mouth the quality of the product...only the refusal to sell to me and obviously we are now selling Vortex and have just done our second order. The profit margins are the same as Leupold and Bushnell. They offer different products with different features than others. We will sell what people ask for. If it was crap I wouldn't carry it as the customer returns would drive us nuts (so far none have come back). Phil.
 
Haagen_Dazs said:
Phil,

What can you tell me about the turret tracking? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but this is the deal breaker for me and I'd like a professional opinion about whether they can track a box or not.


I'm putting together an M1A and am split between the Bushnel 3.5-21x50 (I know, Bushnell... *shudders*) and the Vortex PST 4-16x50.

Thanks
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I have little hands on experience (shooting) with Vortex and can only rely of feed back from customers. So far so good as none have come back yet and everyone that has given feed back is very positive. I am confident enough in Vortex that we are also bringing in some of the Razors that are priced up there with Nighforce (which we also carry). Time will tell. Phil.
 
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