vz 58 and cz going rate

C-42 didn't change the status of the 858 from prohibited to restricted. Them abolishing C-42 won't change its status. The CSA is as likely to become prohibited as the CZ with the Liberals in power.
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Wha?

Part of C42 was overturning the reclassification of a bunch of NR 858's from prohib back to their original NR status.
The Liberals have promised to overturn this.
Classification power has been given back to the RCMP.

Do some reading before you comment.
 
Paid 600 for mine, and after I sold all the mall ninja crap the previous owner put on it and 4 mags, It ended up at 300 :)

Not a EE deal obviously lol.
 
drifter dave said:
Wha?

Part of C42 was overturning the reclassification of a bunch of NR 858's from prohib back to their original NR status.
The Liberals have promised to overturn this.
Classification power has been given back to the RCMP.

Do some reading before you comment.
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C-42 didn't change the status. C-42 changed transportation regulations for restricted firearms, combined ATT's with RPAL's, gave some power to the elected public safety minister in firearms classification, and changed valid POL into PAL. No where in the bill does it say, to change the CZ 858 and Swiss Arms back to its original status. Its absolute ludicrous to think the Vz 58 is safer to buy because its less likely to become prohibited. With the RCMP calling the shots and no one to watch them to make sure they're being honest, they'll prohibit everything they don't like.
 
DILLIGAF said:
Same RCMP that just classified the Type 81 as NR ?
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They classed it as restricted not non restricted. The RCMP supposedly have already made a list of firearms they want to prohibit because they can potentially be used with a "Special technique" to make them shoot full auto. I don't know what this special technique is, but I'll make a guess its bump firing. Just also remember, this is also the same RCMP that made the Type 97 non-restricted, and then as soon as they showed up, made them prohibited. Then the manufacture redesigned the gun and called it the T97NSR then about 5 years later it was back as non-restricted.
 
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C-42 didn't change the status. C-42 changed transportation regulations for restricted firearms, combined ATT's with RPAL's, gave some power to the elected public safety minister in firearms classification, and changed valid POL into PAL. No where in the bill does it say, to change the CZ 858 and Swiss Arms back to its original status. Its absolute ludicrous to think the Vz 58 is safer to buy because its less likely to become prohibited. With the RCMP calling the shots and no one to watch them to make sure they're being honest, they'll prohibit everything they don't like.
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Please listen from the freakin horse's mouth: specifically 3:10-3:17. I guess you are more of an expert than the public safety minster at the time, who introduced the legislation. The Swiss and CZ were specifically highlighted and returned to previous status. As such, if he bill is overturned, the RCMP will want to pursue their reclassification of these specific rifles. They did not target the VZ, as these were not built on converted auto receivers, as claimed by the RCMP in the case of the 858's.

This has been discussed here at naseum, there's even a whole section on the forum. Any owner of an 858 can expect a continuation of the fiasco around the 858 reclassification, as it was specifically targeted by the RCMP, whereas the VZ58 was never subject to this.

 
drifter dave said:
Please listen from the freakin horse's mouth
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The Swiss Arms and 858 weren't turned back to their original status when the bill became law on September 2nd 2015. It wasn't until about a month later Steve Blarney reversed the classification. The power that C-42 gave him to do. What you're saying is, the bill changed the CZ and Swiss Arms classification which is simply not true and a bunch of you here on CGN think the same way. No where, in the written law of the bill does it say, "To reverse the classification of the CZ and Swiss arms to their original status." Abolishing the bill will simply abolish the public safety ministers power to reverse classifications.

You honestly believe the politician is an expert on the law he or she crated? I mean, just look at bill C68.
 
It wasn't until about a month later Steve Blarney reversed the classification. The power that C-42 gave him to do.
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The section of the bill was created to restore their status - due to the outcry from the community. Talk about semantics dude, seriously.
We all know that the system, the lab, c-68 is retarded, you are preaching to the choir. The OP is asking about 858's or VZ58's - my advice is to avoid potential banning of your purchase specifically related to the BS of the last 2 years.

If you want to light your hair on fire and sell all of your guns, have at it. We all know the broader situation.
 
Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
They classed it as restricted not non restricted. The RCMP supposedly have already made a list of firearms they want to prohibit because they can potentially be used with a "Special technique" to make them shoot full auto. I don't know what this special technique is, but I'll make a guess its bump firing. Just also remember, this is also the same RCMP that made the Type 97 non-restricted, and then as soon as they showed up, made them prohibited. Then the manufacture redesigned the gun and called it the T97NSR then about 5 years later it was back as non-restricted.
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You realise the T97 was seized du to full auto guns that were shipped by mistake on that first batch. 2 nd check the FRT the Type 81is NR in the appropriate barrel length. They sent a restricted lenght Type 81 model to the lab for FRT. That's why the restricted ruling came out first. They did the same with the Tavor back in the day.
 
drifter dave said:
If you want to light your hair on fire and sell all of your guns, have at it. We all know the broader situation.
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You're a severe case of someone who doesn't want to be wrong. From reading you're previous posts, its highly evident. I can't continue to try and tell you want the actual law is and not what you interpenetrated it as because you're never going to accept that you're wrong.

You're the one who is striking the fear that the CZ 858 will be reclassified again not me so its you who is lighting your hair on fire and telling people to avoid the gun.
 
DILLIGAF said:
You realise the T97 was seized du to full auto guns that were shipped by mistake on that first batch.
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That's actually not what happened. But CGN is a great big game of broken telephone. Someone says, They were seized and made prohibited because they were considered "too easy to convert to full auto" even though the RCMP never told us how easy it was. Then the message passes on to someone else on CGN but he heard it as, OMG they shipped full auto guns instead of the semi auto guns!
 
I'm still waiting to hear what your point is.
There are some 858's on the EE, you should buy em up and we'll talk after the Liberals deliver on their promise.
 
You're a severe case of someone who doesn't want to be wrong. From reading you're previous posts, its highly evident.

Oh wait, that was you saying that..
It's called "projecting"...
lol
 
Let me close my argument by quoting you:

With the RCMP calling the shots and no one to watch them to make sure they're being honest, they'll prohibit everything they don't like.
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My point is that they didn't like the 858's, because in their reasoning, they are built on converted auto receivers. So OP, it's up to you - choose a model that the newly empowered RCMP previously banned, or choose a model which they did not.
 
This thread has gone off the rails unfortunately. With respect DD, I can't see the government reversing an edict from the RCMP if the government believed the 858 was "easily convertible to automatic fire" solely as a means to but the RCMP in their place. The number of "voters" the government garnered from the reclassification would never have outweighed the chit storm if the evidence of "easily convertible" was compelling. Now I am not saying that reason, logic or rationality is what drives the decision making process in Canada on firearms, but I think what I have laid out does.
 
I understand your point, as a percentage of the population we are few.

But it's all history now, the government did just that - reinstated the previous classification of non-restricted after the RCMP arbitrarily banned the Swiss and CZ.

They did this by moving the power of classification from the RCMP to elected officials in C42.

Now the Liberals have stated that they will reverse parts of C42. Which parts? Well they specifically mentioned giving power of classification back to the RCMP - who have a hardon for banning the Swiss and 858 (which they already tried once).

This is all very old news.

My point was simply, given the choice, I personally would not buy a Swiss or 858 right now. That's just me.

The idea that the 858 is not more likely to get banned than the VZ is ridiculous.

 
So surveys says CZ 58 (900 to 1500) and CZ 858 restricted (650-900) and unrestricted (900-1000)? This is based on my reading posted prices on EE...
 
l feel this thread actually went pretty well considering.... lf people cant debate what the point of a forum? May as well start a circle jerk. And OP seems to have got hls lnfo ln lt and we all editorialised lol
 
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