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The reliability of the VZ 58 in the field is legendary... on an anecdotal basis. However, there are plenty of videos of M4 environmental torture tests, but I could only find one lame one of the VZ 58 where some guy poured desert sand right into the chamber and bolt area. Of course it was going to fail.

But hooray - there's a PROPER burial test (finally), and here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbZ12tD3Buk

Now the bolt carrier was left open when it was buried, but if we are going to replicate the Daniel Defence AR15 torture test then by right it should be closed - and then it would have been an even greater testament to the VZ58's field hardiness.
 
I'm sorry, I have several CZ/VZ rifles, and I love them, but that was not a good showing. Yes, it was buried with the bolt open, but it took 5 minutes of fiddling to get a single round to fire, and then more fiddling to finish the mag. What were we supposed to get from that? If you bury your gun with the bolt open, you will need 5-10 minutes to get it opperational... uhmmm...outstanding?...I think...
 
Kind of dumb really - if you have a gun choked through the breach with crap, it won't fire - I don't care what kind of gun it is, even if you have an AK if there is debris in the breach, it won't work.
 
Reliability of the VZ 58 in the field ? :confused: Never used extensively in Combat and only produced for a very limited time. Too many small springs and delicate items. Gotta remember it was replaced by the AK.;)


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Grizzly Adams said:
Reliability of the VZ 58 in the field ? :confused: Never used extensively in Combat and only produced for a very limited time. Too many small springs and delicate items. Gotta remember it was replaced by the AK.;)


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What??? Where do you get this lunacy!

Current service rifle of the Czech army reserves of the Czech republic... enuff said
 
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I'm sorry, I have several CZ/VZ rifles, and I love them, but that was not a good showing. Yes, it was buried with the bolt open, but it took 5 minutes of fiddling to get a single round to fire, and then more fiddling to finish the mag. What were we supposed to get from that? If you bury your gun with the bolt open, you will need 5-10 minutes to get it opperational... uhmmm...outstanding?...I think...
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I'd agree with that analysis. . .
 
That wasn't very impressive, he had to clean it out for 5 minutes before he got it to shoot, and then it kept jamming. I sure wouldn't want my life to be in my hands after digging that up.
 
Fill any gun's chamber with rocks and mud and you probably won't get it to function. I noticed his bolt hold open wasn't working either.

CGNer Sprint did a good torture test of the CSA 11.5" vz58 a while back. He gave it good reviews.

I still wish we could have this version:

http://youtu.be/VSLV9rd53vw

The 2nd shooter in the vid sure can rock 7.62 on full auto well.
 
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Yeah I know that any gun, even an AK would jam if you got rocks and mud jammed in the chamber. But the point of the video should be showing the reliability and this video doesn't really do that as he has to spend 5 minutes cleaning it all out after to get it to shoot.
 
I would bet on a AK holding up somewhat better to this kind of test thanks to its much roomier receiver interior and looser overall mechanism allowing dirt a place to go.

Obviously packing the reciever with dirt is going to stop anything but I would think the AK would be easier to get up and running at least.
 
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Grizzly Adams said:
Reliability of the VZ 58 in the field ? :confused: Never used extensively in Combat and only produced for a very limited time. Too many small springs and delicate items. Gotta remember it was replaced by the AK.;)
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If you have more info like this that you simply pull out of your ass, I'd like to hear it. For the sake of my own entertainment.

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Reliability of the VZ 58 in the field ? :confused: Never used extensively in Combat and only produced for a very limited time. Too many small springs and delicate items. Gotta remember it was replaced by the AK.;)


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right.... pritty sure it was the only assualt rifle allowed to be produced in the soviet union that was non soviet design because it was superior to the AK in performance, but was close enough in function that any conscript trained on an AK could pick it up and use it. It's production for military use outlasted that of the AK 47.
It has been used by the czech army for over what, 50 years now? They just started replacing them in 2011
 

The vz is superior to the AK because , the Czech have looked at the AK and improve it , the AK don't have a bolt open you can reload with stripper clip thing you cannot do with the Kalashnikov , better accuracy because it have a milled receiver not stamped , the vz is better
 
The Czechs might have made a better rifle than the original Type 1, 2 and 3 AK-47s, but the AK design was continuously improved over the years while the Vz58 was not. The only real advantage the Vz has is weight, and it only marginally lighter than a normal 1mm stamped AKs anyway.

If the Soviets had adopted the Vz58 instead of the AK there would only be a fraction as many of them produced, meaning that a lot of historical insurgencies and Communist supplied armies would have had to make do without enough modern assault rifles to go around.
 
Didnt the NVA also use a bunch of VZ58 during the vietnam war? Some also pop up in taliban and afghan regular army hands, seems like the tough mutha fackars like them a lot.

And we all know how those wars went...
 
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