Vz-58 Vs Ar??
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Canadian dealers get Czech ammo for cheap and wouldn't be able to move it if non-corrosive was on the market. When the Czech ammo dries up, magically non-corrosive will re-appear. They will disagree with me obviously.
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I heard BC can't take shipments of Norinco/Chinese ammo anymore because of some regulations changes, so if we wanted to import Norinco non-corrosive, it would have to dock in Quebec, causing it to cost more and be uncompetitive. Of course, this could be pure BS, especially since I would pay more for non-corrosive.
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I know, but it would be faster to clean using non-corrosive ammo. Plus, I have the non-chromed bore, so any slipups and you're looking at rust and decreased accuracy. I'd like a safety margin of error for cleaning in my $600+ rifle.
The AK's mags fit a lot looser in the receiver, and the mag release is very easily accessible (as demonstrated by the guy in the first vid knocking out the spent mag with another mag).
The vz's mags fit way tighter than the AK's and thus require a more precise motion to load in to the receiver. Also the mag release is all tucked away next to the trigger guard.
Sure practice makes improvement, but I don't think it is possible to match the magazine changing speed of an AR or even an AK with a VZ...
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It seems to me that Mag change speed is kinda a dumb argument unless you compete in some form where time is a factor. Its a very complex movement that under stress would probably be difficult to execute as quickly as in those videos. Sure he can do it quickly in the safety of his bedroom but try doing it with bullets and sh!t flying all around you. Practice the movement sure, but the 10th's of seconds saved between ar and Ak/Vz probably don't mean much otherwise...if making a mag change that fast is needed finding cover or pulling your sidearm is probably a faster/better option.
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Obviously I wasn't advocating sidearm use at 100m - my only point was if you need to do a mag change that fast it's probaby in a CQB situation...I just don't think it could ever be done that fast when you're all jacked up on adrenaline and fear.
That's why you practice, practice, practice until you are ready to puke
Then you practice some more.
With enough practice (slow is smooth, smooth is fast), just about any action can become automatic. Let me give you an example out of my professional (non-military, non-firearms) life. I understand that nobody is shooting at me when I'm at work (at least not on most days), but I am definitely not in what most would term a safe profession. I don't for a second equate my level of risk with those that are in the sandbox...but it ain't no office job.
My job requires wearing an SCBA (a firefighter's SCOTT pack). Most people that are new to the equipment take about a minute to don it. Most people that have been trained to a basic level of "proficiency" can don it in about thirty seconds. This thirty seconds goes back up to 40-60 seconds once those people are under stress. Packs get donned upside down, straps get tangled, masks don't seem to mate to regulators...and Murphy has a grand old time.
But.
Those people who make it part of their day, every day, to don and doff the pack repeatedly don't slow down under that same stress. Their times are reliably in the 15-25 second window. Why? Because they've done it so many times that their lizard brain (the part that takes over when you're legitimately afraid of grevious bodily harm and jacked on adrenaline) knows how to do it. No rational thought is required, because the actions occuring have been repeated so often that they've become habit. Once your hands are done with the first step, they are moving to begin the second step while your brain is still busy running in cirles
This level of proficiency requires a serious commitment on your part to develop, and that commitment must be maintained if the proficiency is to be maintained.If I can educate my lizard brain to go through the complete process of donning an SCBA, function testing it, and doing positive and negative pressure tests on it while toxic and flammable gas is streaming from an uncontrolled well, then folks that invest the time to train properly should be able to manage a mag change while under stress.
Clobbersauras
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- Waaay out west.
That's why you practice, practice, practice until you are ready to puke
Then you practice some more.
With enough practice (slow is smooth, smooth is fast), just about any action can become automatic. Let me give you an example out of my professional (non-military, non-firearms) life. I understand that nobody is shooting at me when I'm at work (at least not on most days), but I am definitely not in what most would term a safe profession. I don't for a second equate my level of risk with those that are in the sandbox...but it ain't no office job.
My job requires wearing an SCBA (a firefighter's SCOTT pack). Most people that are new to the equipment take about a minute to don it. Most people that have been trained to a basic level of "proficiency" can don it in about thirty seconds. This thirty seconds goes back up to 40-60 seconds once those people are under stress. Packs get donned upside down, straps get tangled, masks don't seem to mate to regulators...and Murphy has a grand old time.
But.
Those people who make it part of their day, every day, to don and doff the pack repeatedly don't slow down under that same stress. Their times are reliably in the 15-25 second window. Why? Because they've done it so many times that their lizard brain (the part that takes over when you're legitimately afraid of grevious bodily harm and jacked on adrenaline) knows how to do it. No rational thought is required, because the actions occuring have been repeated so often that they've become habit. Once your hands are done with the first step, they are moving to begin the second step while your brain is still busy running in cirles
If I can educate my lizard brain to go through the complete process of donning an SCBA, function testing it, and doing positive and negative pressure tests on it while toxic and flammable gas is streaming from an uncontrolled well, then folks that invest the time to train properly should be able to manage a mag change while under stress.
agreed - very good analogy.
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