vz 58 vs type 97

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So I'd like to buy a NR black rifle in .223. As much as I would love a tavor or XCR or some other $2000+ gun, its not going to happen. I had a passing fascination with the SU 16, but there is just too much plastic there. I would also prefer the vz in its native caliber, but I live in southern Ontario and would like to be able to shoot at my buddies farm without SWAT being involved. I'm also a lefty, so I'm leaning towards the vz. Yes I'm aware they had their own issues but as long as I stay away from 2013, should be OK. I'm sure some will say get both, but again, not gonna happen anytime soon. So I guess the question is which one?
 
As a fellow lefty, I can say that the T97 is a poor choice right now, but will be best in the future assuming M14.ca's LHG actually makes a difference with its new shell deflector.

In all honesty, I would not touch a .223 vz58 if a 7.62 is doable. What exactly is the reason a 7.62 vz is out of the question?
 
I have a vz 58 and had the problem with the gas ports... Was able to get it sent in for repair with fast turn around and covered by warrenty... Not all the rifles sold have this problem.... That said I am impressed with my rifle.. Its a pleasure to shoot and there are all kinds of aftermarket parts around to customize it to your liking. Like a magwell adapter that allows you to use 10rnd ar style pistol mags which was easy to install.

My father owns a t97... With the new ftu on it. Also shoots like a dream and unlike the vz its ready to use the 10rnd pistol mags out of the box, but is not as customizable at all except for the flat top upper or the lower if its ready to be sold yet.
 
Our glorious leaders have determined we cannot shoot anything under .275(?) South of some arbitrary point on a map. Obviously actual ballistics never factored into this decree.
 
Scamaniac said:
You can shoot any calibre you choose in southern Ontario. The restriction only applies to hunting.
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Wait, what?! Really? Could you post an official link to back that up? Everything I've ever heard was that is across the board. I want to believe you.
 
If you are a leftie, ask around for someone so you can try a Type 97 first.
The ejection is not lefty friendly to everyone, but your mileage may vary.
Otherwise T97 is a nice choice.

I like the SU16 and the CZ too.
They are all great fun.

Your local LEO tend to be attracted to noise complaints from uncooperative neighbours mostly.
 
RSK said:
Our glorious leaders have determined we cannot shoot anything under .275(?) South of some arbitrary point on a map. Obviously actual ballistics never factored into this decree.
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If that were really the case, that would mean .223 would be illegal but 7.62x39 would not be.
 
Both are solid choices imo one is finicky with mags and one needs proprietary. If your into bullpups the choice is obvious the csa with a chrome bore is a great rifle too and more ergonomic.
 
onetwentyish said:
7.62is a .30 cal bullet... it would be okay then and your .223s would be not good to go.
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Two people have said this. Am I missing something here? .223=5.56 mm, and 7.62 is kinda self explanatory. If the restrictions are based on diameter, then...
I also looked into the restriction a little more. I had been told by a number of people that this was for shooting in general, but appears to be only for hunting. I've tried to look this up before but couldn't find anything. The vz is looking better
 
RSK said:
Two people have said this. Am I missing something here? .223=5.56 mm, and 7.62 is kinda self explanatory. If the restrictions are based on diameter, then...
I also looked into the restriction a little more. I had been told by a number of people that this was for shooting in general, but appears to be only for hunting. I've tried to look this up before but couldn't find anything. The vz is looking better
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as other post said it's restricted for hunting, you can't hunt deer size or bigger with .223 or 5.56mm. for target shooting at the range is ok
 
Southern Ontario has a calibre restriction for hunting only. Nothing bigger than a .270 is allowed for hunting, south of the French River. Hope this clarifies. The VZ in .223 is a fun rifle. If the spent brass looks like it has been kicked out by a mule and is landing in the next county, send it to Movie Arms in Toronto for warranty service before it breaks itself and you should have it back in 2-3 weeks.
 
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