vz-58L: Am I over reacting?

Kwah said:
Hate to revive a dead topic, but since I am looking for one of these, non restricted ones that is, how meaningful is the difference between the chromed and non chromed barrels? I understand that corrosive ammo affects them but I am not 100% how it affects them and how badly. I've done some fairly serious digging in the forum but havent found anything that clearly explains that.
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if you clean it properly after every shoot then there isnt much of a difference, non-chrome may take a bit more cleaning in the bore but im lazy , i need not have a completely clean patch .

chrome last longer, more durable but i heard it is less accurate, i have never put it to the test , i wish someone with both barrels do that test for us.

so far im very happy with my cz858.
 
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The receiver on my '58 wasn't properly machined in the feed area, and would jam on almost every round. A few minutes spent with a diamond grinding bit on a Dremmel tool, followed by mirror-polishing the feed surfaces (left and right), and it cycles perfectly. I had to move the front sight post all the way to one side to get it zeroed at 100 yards, and that bugs me a little, though.
 
Plinker said:
. I had to move the front sight post all the way to one side to get it zeroed at 100 yards, and that bugs me a little, though.
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really? what model? vz58L or cz858 ? maybe your rear sight is faulty (i would check that) or your barrel is badly index.
 
curtton said:
if you clean it properly after every shoot then there isnt much of a difference, non-chrome may take a bit more cleaning in the bore but im lazy , i need not have a completely clean patch .

chrome last longer, more durable but i heard it is less accurate, i have never put it to the test , i wish someone with both barrels do that test for us.

so far im very happy with my cz858.
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well that makes me less concerned about which one I get, I tend to clean them fairly well regardless. And Marstar says its a 2 month wait for more 58L's. That and I have no idea how much more they want for it over the 858.
 
Kwah said:
well that makes me less concerned about which one I get, I tend to clean them fairly well regardless. And Marstar says its a 2 month wait for more 58L's. That and I have no idea how much more they want for it over the 858.
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marstar is good about holding the price , what ever they sold them for late last year, i dont recall but i think it was $600- 650 ... have said that , they are not very timely with their delivery date , 2 months could end up being 6 months or more.
 
Claven2 said:
That runs 1000% contrary to my experience. Have you rapid fired any strings yet? Once the barrel really heats up is when these 858's really take a huge dump all over themselves in my experience.
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I guess you should get a new 858 then. The one I snagged last year has given me nothing but glory when I give it a workout.
 
Claven2 said:
The 858 worked and fed like crap and the paint kept bubbbling and flaking off. It was NOT military grade epozy paint like the originals have.
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i have a cz858 and i dont know if the paint on the mag is the same paint on the barrel , however , i needed to shorten the mag to a 5/12 and i had to bend the bottom edges for the bottom plate but found the metal too brittle and it snapped most of the time so i heated it on the stove high heat for a minute , with the edge touching the red hot element and the paint did not bubble , i was surprised.
 
obiwanbonjovi said:
I would hold out for the chrome barrel if I were you. They outlast a non chrome by 10x, more if you shoot corrosive and don't clean every time.
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I'd love to get a chromed 58L but I also want to shoot something this year and I dont rifle shoot in the winter.
 
Mine came looking newer than new. If it was surplus parts then someone did a darn good job on it. Whoever your supplier is, tell them they have one more try before you cut all contact and dump a $hit load of money on their main competitor.
 
CURTTON;
Did I miss something here ?? How do we know Marstar Imported it ??
If not satisfied (if Marstar's) why not ship it back to us ??

CLAVEN2;
DAMMIT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE ARE GOING TO SAY THIS, The VZ-58 and it's related family, ours or other importers, ARE NOT "converted" they were built as semi automatic rifles.

John
 
johnone said:
CURTTON;
Did I miss something here ?? How do we know Marstar Imported it ??
If not satisfied (if Marstar's) why not ship it back to us ??
John
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yes, you did miss something here, john you gotta learn to use the quote button or i dont know what you are talking about.

going back to your questions , i know you imported vz58L cos i saw it on your site and many threads by members saying so.

i cant be satisfied with marstar and i cant ship it back cos i dont own a vz58/vz58L , unless you and wolverine have some sort of a joint venture going, i own a wolverine cz858 so again i dont know what you are referring to.
 
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klaus enuff said:
Curtton - I did handle/inspect the 858's, what turns me off is the lack of warranty at Lever (and that they wanted 700$ ? for a new Norinco, again no warranty), and yes I would pay for shipping because of Marstars SERVICE, and if I need to send it back for whatever reason I don't have to pay extra for return shipping. As for Reliable, well what can I say, they are reliable :) They are one of the few stores I like to go to. :)
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I agree on most poiints here. Lever is poor on deals(and customer appreciation), but, I did get good service with a bum sks exchange. Marstar is good as their word, with good service. Reliable is the friendliest in Vancouver, and I give them business too.
I don't own any of the above, but I can see that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". I don't think there is a unanamous consensus on which is better. I've seen curtons and it's in great shape and shoots well. I figure if you're shooting dirty cheap ammo you should clean vigorously anyways so chrome or not wouldn't be an issue. Personnaly, I'd go non restricted out of principle. I have to say the sights are hard for me, and similar to the picture I have with the sks(spoiled by peeps)
 
emmab said:
Personnaly, I'd go non restricted out of principle. I have to say the sights are hard for me, and similar to the picture I have with the sks(spoiled by peeps)
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you are such a rebel P, :D:D

you wont recognize my cz858 the next time you see it. i also got a posp scope for it (yet to mount it).
 
twoguntim said:
There has been a lot of attention around the vz-58 and it seemed like a good buy, so I took the plunge and ordered the non-restricted version. It came scratched to hell, the dust cover was too lose, the paint job sucked,the muzzle crown and butt plate looked used and the bayonet wouldn't lock on. I sent it back for a new one. It came today.

Slightly less scratched, broken top hand guard, warped bottom hand guard, unusable cleaning kit, broken knob on bayonet sheath strap and worse paint job.

I don't have a lot of experience buying these kind of rifles, but I have shot a few nice ones, so I know they exist. So, am I over reacting? Are these problems typical for this kind of rifle or am I cursed?:confused::(:mad:
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Wow Sounds like the exact VZ I bought off marstar :D Mine did not even fire, I had to send it in and get a new one.. paint was scratched up as hell, bayonet never hooked on finely,... dust cover was blown off.. list goes on.. :welcome:
 
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