Vz/cz 858 Qr Scope Mount Pics
- Thread starter Flobalob
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Stupid question, but here goes, what is that wood , is it a chip / glue combo like you see in 4x8 sheets siding. 
Sorry if its a high end burl , my mistake.
Frank
Sorry if its a high end burl , my mistake.
Frank
Hig-end burlewood was the standard stock-making material accross the Soviet Union until its collapse in 1991 ... and if you believe this statement I have several bridges to sell you for unbelievable value in former Soviet territories...
Seriously though, the wood you see on a CZ858 or VZ58 is called 'bakelite' - its basically wood chips impregnated with plastic - the Soviets tested it in the 50's and found it to be more durable than regular wood - and most cheap plastics of the time. Apparently aesthetics were not of paramount concern to them.
Seriously though, the wood you see on a CZ858 or VZ58 is called 'bakelite' - its basically wood chips impregnated with plastic - the Soviets tested it in the 50's and found it to be more durable than regular wood - and most cheap plastics of the time. Apparently aesthetics were not of paramount concern to them.
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- Edmonton, AB
Bakelite is the plastic compound they use in conjunction with the wood... very resistant to temperature changes... my pots & pans have bakelite handles... toss it in the oven and they'll get warm, but not melt.
Mykhaylo said:
The Krauts were the first to use it on the MP 38/40 smg.
I did not like it at first so I refinished it with TRU OIL, it turned out nicely and now feels like glass, much more refined and it takes the knocks without damage. I would not change it for wood now.
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P0WERWAGON
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i was looking at these scout mounts and sent them an email about the VZ.
P0WERWAGON said:
Mykaylo mentioned that Marstar would be having these in a couple of weeks ago. I thought about waiting and installing one of these, but I had already done quite a bit of research into the QR side mounts and felt I should go ahead with a side mount for several reasons, there are obviously advantages and disadvantages for each system, but the rail system offers a lot more flexibility once installed.
Actually - just called Marstar about the scout scope mount yesterday, and they say that they'll be availiable in three weeks.
But, I'm not holding my breath...
However, the people at Scout Scopes HAVE finished testing, and are manufacturing commercial mounts already - and, Canucks will get'em first because there is also no market for th CZ/VZ in the US (and yes, I already know about the VZ2000 from Ohio Ordinance). I really like Flob's mount, but I am concerned, after seeing the hassle he went through, that no gunsmith in their right mind is going to attempt the rail installation for me. I just tried a looking at a Holosight (cheap Hakko knockoff) at our gun show in Saskatoon last weekend, and I found myself going cross-eyed by using a red dot with both eyes open (I basically see double). I don't want to hijack the thread - but does any one else have this problem? I 'm sort of rethinking the merits of a red dot if I can't use both eyes, so I thought I might try and get a smith to install Flob's side mount - so I can use an ordinary 3X9 scope on my CZ. But - I'm still on the fence. Any merit to a Red Dot with just one eye open? Thoughts please.
But, I'm not holding my breath...
However, the people at Scout Scopes HAVE finished testing, and are manufacturing commercial mounts already - and, Canucks will get'em first because there is also no market for th CZ/VZ in the US (and yes, I already know about the VZ2000 from Ohio Ordinance). I really like Flob's mount, but I am concerned, after seeing the hassle he went through, that no gunsmith in their right mind is going to attempt the rail installation for me. I just tried a looking at a Holosight (cheap Hakko knockoff) at our gun show in Saskatoon last weekend, and I found myself going cross-eyed by using a red dot with both eyes open (I basically see double). I don't want to hijack the thread - but does any one else have this problem? I 'm sort of rethinking the merits of a red dot if I can't use both eyes, so I thought I might try and get a smith to install Flob's side mount - so I can use an ordinary 3X9 scope on my CZ. But - I'm still on the fence. Any merit to a Red Dot with just one eye open? Thoughts please.
Red dot are fast to use even with one eye closed. It takes a while to get used to shooting with a red dot with both eyes open so I'm not surprised you had a problem at first attempt, especially as it was not mounted on a rifle.
Half the trouble with the system I have was sorting out what would work and what would not, but once the rail is installed it only takes a second to change from iron sights to the red dot, or to install a full power scope if that's what takes your fancy. It was trouble getting the rail sorted, but it was worth it, and I think it's a proper job. It does not look like an attatchment that was fixed on as an after thought.
A proper scope would need a straight up mount ( I have seen several of these for sale) which would put the scope alongside the reciever and out of the way of the ejection port. Scopes mounted this way are fine to use, and the scope would not need to be removed in order to use the iron sights.
Half the trouble with the system I have was sorting out what would work and what would not, but once the rail is installed it only takes a second to change from iron sights to the red dot, or to install a full power scope if that's what takes your fancy. It was trouble getting the rail sorted, but it was worth it, and I think it's a proper job. It does not look like an attatchment that was fixed on as an after thought.
A proper scope would need a straight up mount ( I have seen several of these for sale) which would put the scope alongside the reciever and out of the way of the ejection port. Scopes mounted this way are fine to use, and the scope would not need to be removed in order to use the iron sights.
P0WERWAGON
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i have trouble shooting without a red dot. i'm left eye dominant so using irons get tough after about five shots. my eyes blur as the left tries to take over. with the red dot my right eye just superemposes the red dot onto what my left eye is seeing. works awesome for me.
Well I just order my side mount today and will get it in a week or so. I'll keep you guys posted on how it works out for me and If all goes well I'll post all the measurements and photos I can to help every body out. I think the hardest part will be welding on the 1/4" spacer on to the rail. Lucky I know some welders
If your eyes tend to cross naturally, the red dot sights will bring this out. They do with me, the trick is to force your focus onto the target (probably easier to do if its shooting at you) what worked for me when I used the old OEG sight was to look at the target and then shoulder the rifle as I looked at the target. It should work with the Aimpoint style as well.
