VZ58 classification confusion
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...is still Bullsh1t
Fixed it for you.
sillymike
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
...is still Bullsh1t
It's politic... Business as usual.
Timeline of the vz58 (and Swiss arms) bans
2014 Original vz58 ban (No good articles about the cz858 specifically but it happened at the same time.)
Some vz58/cz858/FSN-01 (and of those only a few years of imports) rifles were found to be full auto recievers converted to semi auto.
The RCMP at the time reclassified these specific rifles as prohibited as they would have been 12.3 and ineligible for purchase.
An amnesty was put in place while the government sorted out what to do with the EST 4000 affected vz58.
2015 Bill C-42 passes the "common sense firearms act"
This bill among other things allowed for the government to prescribe firearms to be "non-restricted". Also of note it required that any changes to a classification of a firearm must be done in the first year following the issuance of an FRT.
The vz-58's named in the 2014 reclassification were prescribed to be non-restricted(or restricted based on barrel length). So they despite being 12.3 could be used bought and sold as regular rifles.
2019 Bill C-71 reverses aforementioned changes in Bill C-42
vz58's that were named non-restricted are now back to prohibited and based on the wording of the bill it now likely includes all date ranges not just the limited time frame. Leaving only models that had no issue with using full auto recievers as NR (CSA vz58, Kodiak WR762).
RCMP was given expanded powers to reclassify firearms. Prescribed non-restricted class was removed from the Firearms Act.
Firearms that were registered before an arbitrary day almost a year PRIOR to the bill becoming law could be grandfathered details to be determined at a later date.
2020 May 1 OIC
The Trudeau government announces a OIC banning many types of semi-automatic rifles. Among them is the rest of the VZ-58 family.
Grandfathering as noted in C-71 is suspiciously absent and has not been heard of since.
2014 Original vz58 ban (No good articles about the cz858 specifically but it happened at the same time.)
Some vz58/cz858/FSN-01 (and of those only a few years of imports) rifles were found to be full auto recievers converted to semi auto.
The RCMP at the time reclassified these specific rifles as prohibited as they would have been 12.3 and ineligible for purchase.
An amnesty was put in place while the government sorted out what to do with the EST 4000 affected vz58.
2015 Bill C-42 passes the "common sense firearms act"
This bill among other things allowed for the government to prescribe firearms to be "non-restricted". Also of note it required that any changes to a classification of a firearm must be done in the first year following the issuance of an FRT.
The vz-58's named in the 2014 reclassification were prescribed to be non-restricted(or restricted based on barrel length). So they despite being 12.3 could be used bought and sold as regular rifles.
2019 Bill C-71 reverses aforementioned changes in Bill C-42
vz58's that were named non-restricted are now back to prohibited and based on the wording of the bill it now likely includes all date ranges not just the limited time frame. Leaving only models that had no issue with using full auto recievers as NR (CSA vz58, Kodiak WR762).
RCMP was given expanded powers to reclassify firearms. Prescribed non-restricted class was removed from the Firearms Act.
Firearms that were registered before an arbitrary day almost a year PRIOR to the bill becoming law could be grandfathered details to be determined at a later date.
2020 May 1 OIC
The Trudeau government announces a OIC banning many types of semi-automatic rifles. Among them is the rest of the VZ-58 family.
Grandfathering as noted in C-71 is suspiciously absent and has not been heard of since.
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Yup, I remember the VZs with 7.5 inch bbl , those were flame throwers at the range...
There is still probably 50,000 or more around that are NR
Wonder if it would be a crime to cut those down to 7.5 inch?, they are already prohib, I don't see no difference except it becoming double prohibited!!!!
The 7.5 had a shorter gas system, but you could definitely cut an 858 down to ten or twelve inches. Can't make a prohibited rifle "more" prohibited, can you?? May or may not affect function, though, depending on how short one went...
Very interesting, I had no idea about the shorter gas system.
I don't see how that would be possible with the factory gas system.
