Vz58 Pistol RCMP Report

Funny how this doesn't work the other way. For example the rifle that is restricted because it is based on a revolver design, but is a purpose built rifle frame not a revolver frame.
 
fenceline said:
This vz58 is a rifle transformed into a pistol. As no pistols were made as original, and only rifles were converted to pistols, all magazine designs are rifle mag designs.
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I think thats a little misleading. It's not like I went to CSA, bought a rifle, and then modified and imported it.

I went to a US gun shop, bought a Vz58 pistol, and imported it. Seemed simple enough. But I guess "original" is a fishy phrase.

I actually asked Bill Etter in June of 2013 whether importing from the US constituted "commonly available." He told me it did.

My gun may be affiliated with CSA, but this is also a Czechpoint gun, and is uniquely stamped as such.

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But they've made their decision. That's that I'm afraid.
 
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So who wants to order a single, unfinished receiver marked Vz58 Pistol? The Czechs are great at understanding our legal "issues" I'm sure they wouldn't have an issue with building one. Now that we understand the problem, the solution is quite easy (but not necessarily cheap)
 
fenceline said:
That was a different kettle of fish. Magazine made for both rifles and pistols, so lower standard applies. This vz58 is a rifle transformed into a pistol. As no pistols were made as original, and only rifles were converted to pistols, all magazine designs are rifle mag designs.

This is not a "dual use" arguement, rather a receiver "design" arguement that is keeping the 5 round limit the max.
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You've obviously got better understanding of the law than me.
 
Here's the exact text:

Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun ... [skip the uzi stuff]

(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.​

The magazine provided by Zahal was apparently not designed or manufactured for use in this semi-automatic handgun. *rolls eyes*
 
I guess you don't need top go to Vegas to gamble after all... all you need to do is "Step right up, pays your money and takes yer chances" with the Canadian Firearms Classification System...Just remember what happens in CFCS stays in CFCS :rolleyes::p
 
So, a short barreled DA shotgun with a pistol grip is a 'handgun' because it can be fired with one hand?
ANNND this is not?
Hmm.....
 
DOOK said:
So, a short barreled DA shotgun with a pistol grip is a 'handgun' because it can be fired with one hand?
ANNND this is not?
Hmm.....
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This is a handgun and there is an FRT that says so. However, it did not start life as a handgun, it was modified from a rifle into a handgun. Therefore, no current magazines have started out as being designed for pistols, so from that all current magazines are rifle magazines. Until there is a pistol that is originally a pistol from the ground up, not a converted rifle, there will be no magazines built and designed solely for pistols.

So sayeth the lab.
 
Andurp said:
Thank you for your effort, TVPP.

The RCMP is a waste of space.
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I kinda figure the RCMP is the messenger. The message is the Firearms Act. While the ruling of the RCMP sometimes go in our favour (ie the vz61, LAR pistol mags, etc) and sometime do not (vz58 pistol mags, Swiss Arms etc), they all stem from following one piece of legislation.

Find the root of the problem. Fix that, and the symptoms of ill will diminish.

If we replace the RCMP in the process with someone else, the Firearms Act will remain, and the process will not change.
 
fenceline said:
I kinda figure the RCMP is the messenger. The message is the Firearms Act. While the ruling of the RCMP sometimes go in our favour (ie the vz61, LAR pistol mags, etc) and sometime do not (vz58 pistol mags, Swiss Arms etc), they all stem from following one piece of legislation.

Find the root of the problem. Fix that, and the symptoms of ill will diminish.

If we replace the RCMP in the process with someone else, the Firearms Act will remain, and the process will not change.
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Well said fenceline.
 
If CSA made a Vz58 in .50 beowulf, and the magazine was pinned to five rounds, would it hold more than five 7.62x39? ...and maybe be able to feed a 7.62x39 version of the VZ58?
 
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