VZ58 Problem
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Jaegermeister
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The application of material (welding) to increase the disconnect ramp height
was used/suggested by me at that time, because we were all out of spare parts kits and any other parts for that matter. Since then we have received numerous parts and part kits. If your disconnect spring tension is sufficent then swaping out the bolt carrier is the simpliest solution, the replacement, original military ones still have the angular, pronounced disconnect ramp on them.
Cheers,
Wolfgang.
was used/suggested by me at that time, because we were all out of spare parts kits and any other parts for that matter. Since then we have received numerous parts and part kits. If your disconnect spring tension is sufficent then swaping out the bolt carrier is the simpliest solution, the replacement, original military ones still have the angular, pronounced disconnect ramp on them.
Cheers,
Wolfgang.
pardon me wolfgang but it doesnt make any sense to me, the problem isnt with the carrier so why fix the carrier? i would not have followed your advise cos what if my sear disconnect has worn out alot then i end up putting more weld on the carrier and when i get the replacement SD then do i file the weld off the carrier? wouldnt it be simpler just weld a blob on top of the SD, a smaller cheaper piece, easy to work it and when i get a replacement i just chuck it out ? very simple.
what i need from wolverine is a repair kit that i can buy and do it myself, i dont see the point of shipping an entire rifle for a common , minor problem.
so far i manage to stay ahead of the gremlin cos i polish and gease the ramp ,not near the bottom (you recommend against polishing on another thread) , prior the polishing i could file my finger nail on them thats how rough it was .
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Harold Manback
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I got the gremlin, Wolverine sent me I new carrier, I received it in the mail 24 hrs after I phoned them, absolutely outstanding customer service. The new carrier seems to have fixed the problem, but it only moves the SD slightly more then the old carrier. I fear that the gremlin will likely return. I have contemplated welding a little bump on the carrier, which would be very easy, but I'm a little concerned with spoiling any heat treating, if there is any on the carrier. Welding a little bump on the SD, although a slightly more difficult weld for me seems more reasonable, I'm not worried about any heat treating on that part. Another idea I had was to simply file a few thousandths of an inch off the notch on the bottom of the sear so the SD didn't have to move as much to disconnect. What do you guys think?
I followed Wolfgang's advise and welded a blob on the carrier. It actually did solve the problem for awhile, but after appr.200 shots the gremlin's had returned. The problem is intermittent, I may fire 20 rds with no problem and then it's back again.
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Could you possibly have a local gunsmith machine a new disconnector that is just slightly longer and perhaps a bit more heavy duty in nature?.
Would it be worth going through that trouble or is it better to just buy a parts kit.
Personaly I dont see much point in a parts kit anyhow if its still the same crapass part and design, the problem will just recure after another few thousand rounds.
Would it be worth going through that trouble or is it better to just buy a parts kit.
Personaly I dont see much point in a parts kit anyhow if its still the same crapass part and design, the problem will just recure after another few thousand rounds.
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Harold Manback
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I'm going to weld my disconnecter. I took some before pictures but they are not that great. I'll post some after pictures. If I don't you will all know that it failed miserably and I'm to embarrassed to show it. I'm going to use a mig welder, hopefully the weld will be very hard and not wear the same as the original surface.
. I'm going to use a mig welder, hopefully the weld will be very hard and not wear the same as the original surface.
Harold Manback
CGN Regular
The amount of welding is quite excessive I have to file it down a lot. I'm going to try to get it so when the carrier passes over it, it pushes right down almost touching the receiver. I won't get a chance to test fire it today. Sorry the pictures a so bad.
first i like to say i like wolverine and nothing bad to say about them except when it comes to handling the gremlin issue , i dont think they are doing enuff to stay ahead of the curve.
we all know the defect exist so why arent they fixing this problem once for all? instead of fixing it individually as the problem arises. im getting rather tiresome of hearing about it every month , knowing i may be next.
if an auto maker had a bad batch of defective parts in cars they would do a mass recall and not wait for it to break before fixing it.
tyockell made a good suggestion but i dont think we should be resposible for dealing with it , wolverine should , they would be best to handle something like that, in larger number and then make it avail to us for a small fee.
lets put is matter to rest by fixing the defect all at once. just MHO.
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A bit of safety advice everyone playing with this should read when fitting a disconnector you must make sure that the rear of the disconnector is angled enough that with downward pressure on bolt carrier it will always disconnect on the forward stroke if the angle is not enough sometimes the carrier can catch the disconnector and push it forward instead of down releasing the sear and causing the weapon to discharge uncontrollably please be absolutely sure that the disconnector moves down and not forward as the carrier closes
on a side note I am in the U.S. and we have stupid law number 922r that requires us to have so many U.S. made parts on every semiautomatic rifle I am working on producing new disconnectors made of harder steel for our compliance is that something people here would be interested in or does everyone either send it out or just weld it themselves
Harold Manback
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After completing the welding process I had to file it back to nearly the same size. It seems a fairly fine line between being to short and to long, I don't think I gained much. Changing the shape any seemed to cause problems, if too long it has a tendency to push forward instead of down which causes the sear to let go of the striker, back to the same problem. I don't recommend welding the disconnecter, unless you have a lot better skills then I'm capable of.
I would be interested in buying a hardened disconnecter, maybe SLIGHTLY over spec. I would still like to try making the notch shorter on the bottom of the sear so the disconnecter didn't have to travel so much, and the whole system would not have to be so darn perfect.
If you market a hardened disconnecter in Canada let us know, I'll buy one.
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I'd buy one.
Harold Manback
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Cheesy diagram of the area on the sear that I'm thinking about shortening. I'm thinking that having this shorter might make it more forgiving. The disconnecter would not have to drop right out of sight to let the sear reset. What do you guys think, is this crazy?
