Vz58 Scope Recommendation

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Good evening all,

I'm looking at getting out and doing some coyote hunting but instead of going out and buying another rifle I'm looking to justify keeping what I currently have. I've got a CSA VZ58 7.62x39 that I'm thinking about using for this task. I've been snooping around and figure that the side receiver mount will be my best option for mounting but I'm at a loss for what scope to use. I'm not interested in a red dot but also don't need some fancy high speed riggin since this rifle won't be putting meat on the table.

I was thinking something along the lines of A 1-4 Vortex Crossfire... any thoughts or comments would be appreciated!

Thanks.
 
I would go prismatic. Longer scopes (even short ones like your typical 1-4) will risk ejecting brass bouncing off your optic while unless you make some kind of brass deflector. Check out the primary arms 7.62x39 model.

Are there any other stores that carry Primary Arms optics other then CTCS?
What kind of effective distance would I be looking at with this one?
Any other suggestions?
 
In Canada, not that I know of. You could bring one in through an importer perhaps but the cost get out of control for just one unit.

As for the distance you can shoot, that's a function of the shooter, ammo, and optics. If you practice and have decent ammo 400-500m wouldn't be undoable if you are doing target work. Hunting is obviously an entirely different ball of wax - if I had to pick a number I'd say 200-250m max with an appropriate bullet if you can shoot consistently and accurately enough.

As for alternatives, I have an Elcan on my vz58. I run the gate up and use paint marks on the elevation dial to provide drop correction as the BDC is designed for 5.56.
 
Another vote for a 3 or 4x prismatic. They are unusually tough and they are much shorter than other scopes. Vortex 3x Spitfire would be a good choice.
 
RS regulate vz304 lower and AKOG upper mounts if you go with a PA or acog type optic. By far the most superior way to mount optics on these rifles
 
RS regulate vz304 lower and AKOG upper mounts if you go with a PA or acog type optic. By far the most superior way to mount optics on these rifles

Thanks for the info! I have never seen RS product but it looks like a good setup... not cheap though at roughly $350 for the mounts. Does the lower come with the mounting hardware for securing it to the side of the receiver?
I can't clearly see in the picture but is there enough space between the dust cover and the upper mount to use the iron sights?

An Acog sure would be nice to mount on her but for the price they are going for I'll have to sit around and wait for CTCS to more prims in.
 
Yeah side mount russian style 4x or Red dot would be more fitting, relativly inexpenaive and tough. They tend to come calibrated 7.62x39 bullet drop.
 
I have a side rail with low profile pic rail. I have a Vortex cantilever scope mount with a Vortex 1-6x. Shells eject into the scope pretty much every time. You will need a shell deflector. I picked up an SKS shell deflector for 10$ from Canada Ammo that mounts on the guns rear sight. Not rock solid and a little goofy, but does the trick. I'll likely fab something better and mount to the pic rail.
 
Thanks for the info! I have never seen RS product but it looks like a good setup... not cheap though at roughly $350 for the mounts. Does the lower come with the mounting hardware for securing it to the side of the receiver?
I can't clearly see in the picture but is there enough space between the dust cover and the upper mount to use the iron sights?

An Acog sure would be nice to mount on her but for the price they are going for I'll have to sit around and wait for CTCS to more prims in.

To answer your iron sight question....it depends. The RS mounts very very low, thats basically what you pay for. I have a Browe BCO and zhukov stock on my NR vz58, and the eye relief/eye box issues on these ACOG type prisms basically dont exist. I dont need a riser and set the distance to my eye perfectly. If I QD the optic off, I can see use my irons just fine. (Some people think that you cant use the irons on these with an inline stock, thats nonsense. If you stand in an isoscles stance, its fine. If you have a bladed weaver style stance than youre doing it wrong and I cant help you ;) )

Some of those scopes that use the ACOG mounting system have a little peep hole through the bottom of the scope, because it was originally designed to mount on an m16 carry handle. So the answer is "maybe", but assume that you cant.


You still need a side dovetail to attach to your receiver, but thats universally required wether you get an RS mount, a russian one, or an all in one scope and mount like a PSO. CSA built rifles have the receiver taps, Cz858s do not. CSA makes those dovetails, and RS regulate has been promising a lighter weight version for a while but its been pushed back.
If you need a dovetail, I may be able to help you with one if I can find it. PM me.

Now, this information applies to *scopes*, as in magnified optics. If you want to mount a red dot, or similar there are 3 options. Two of which allow co witness.

The first is an NEA piston cover/upper handguard. I have them on all of my vz58s even though I dont mount anything on them. Why? They were on sale for 40 bucks a few months ago and they are half the weight of the standard piston cover. They are also, to my knowledge *the only* upper handguard rail that sits low enough to allow a T1 sized dot to cowitness with the leaf sights.

The second is the RS lower, with the T1 upper. That will also co witness (and QD, return to zero).

The third option, which is cheapest but my least preferred is the CSA side rail mount. It sits somewhat low, but will block your irons. You will not have cowitness. It has a picstinny rail on top, and you *can* mount a PA prism on it...and it will work as long as you have an inline stock or a riser on a slanted one....but that contraption starts adding weight. I used it until I upgraded to the RS mount and Im glad I did. I cant decide if its worth the money *for you*, but it was to me.

Another direction, is a BP-02 "low mount". You can get these fairly cheap if you look around. Whats great, is that due to the fact that a vz58 receiver/top cover is a full inch or more shorter than an AK, you will see your sights from below the mount. You will have only a chinweld, but if its a non parralax/eyerelief optic like a red dot or eotech then that can be acceptable. Also, if youre using an optic that will never co witness on these guns no matter what you do (like an Eotech) then being able to see your sights from below is a good second fiddle.

In my experience, if you set the tension correctly and loctite everything that youre supposed to, the RS, CSA and BP-02 mounts will all return to zero if you take them off and (kick them around) put them back on. I like that. Makes transportation easier and lets you play around with good old iron sights if nothing else.
 
Also, dont feel bound to depend solely on retailers and their stock availability and prices. The EE here is great, almost none of my gear came from retailers, and if it was "used" you could barely even tell.
 
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