VZ61 22LR Magazine Capacity Question

You assume Canadian firearms laws make sense.

If you were really curious heres the circular logic used.

If a pistol is "commonly available" (no proper legal definition on that) magazines for said pistol are capped at 10 rounds.

Kriss vectors are available in rifle and pistol configuration. Therefore its the RCMP's current logic that the statute that allows pistol magazines to have 10 rounds supersedes the statute that rimfire rifle magazines are uncapped.

As for why the vz61 22lr get a pass is simple. Pistol models VZ 61 have been name banned since the 1990's (Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 11 - Item 40) therefore vz61 "pistols" are not commonly available in Canada so pistol magazines do not exist for them
Which is why you see 5 round 380/32 models and uncapped 22lr models

Why the vz61 rifles got a pass on the name ban for being rifles is beyond me but like I said at the start Canadian gun laws don't make sense.


Jake1911 said:
The kris uses Glock handgun mags, the VZ uses proprietary rifle mags
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Kriss 9mm and 45 use glock mags, the 22lr magazines are proprietary.
 
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It's funny because if I'm not mistaken someone could thread the barrel on a 22lr vz61 and put a ridiculously long fake can on it and make it non restricted. Would look funky as hell but cool af at the same time lolol
 
AntiKhaos said:
You assume Canadian firearms laws make sense.

If you were really curious heres the circular logic used.
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No,

1. Kriss USA makes a Vector rifle and Vector pistol, similar to the Ruger 10/22 rifle and 10/22 charger.

2. Magazine capacities don't work that way they don't supersede they are either one or the other; Semi-automatic firearm magazines are limited to 5 cartridges, semi-automatic pistol magazines are limited to 10 cartridges. A different section then exempts rimfire magazines from being limited to 5 shots, (but rimfire pistol magazines are still limited to 10) which is how we have unlimited rimfire rifle magazines.

How the RCMP interpret that section is they decided all Kriss Vector 22lr rimfire magazines are pistol magazines and not rifle magazines and therefore limited to 10 cartridges. While it does suck having a rifle magazine be considered a pistol magazine, Canadian gun owners already agree with the RCMP that some "rifle" magazines are "pistol" magazines (ie the LAR-15 magazine). If you want the LAR-15 pistol "loophole" understand when it works against you.

3. Armalytics has that answer for you on the name ban

the firearm known as the Czech Small Arms, manufactured Sa VZ.61 Combat is a similar firearm to the Model referenced in PFR, Part 1, para 40. However, PFR, Part 1, para 40 refers to the "pistol" version of the Skorpion whereas the model in this record is the semi-automatic, commercial version (C/V) of the submachine gun (fullautomatic) Skorpion VZ. 61 and therefore should not be linked to PFR, Part 1, para 40.
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Basically the semi-automatic CSA VZ 61 is derived from the military full-auto version, and not from the Skorpion pistol. So it can't be a variant of the pistol.
 
So RCMP tried to take away the 10rnd fun from Centrefire by calling it a Rifle. After that ruling the manufacturer started to make 22lr versions with folding stocks and 4.5" barrels and the RCMP couldnt retract the rifle designation?

Awesome! Time to order one :)
 
Thorsbear said:
So RCMP tried to take away the 10rnd fun from Centrefire by calling it a Rifle. After that ruling the manufacturer started to make 22lr versions with folding stocks and 4.5" barrels and the RCMP couldnt retract the rifle designation?

Awesome! Time to order one :)
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Hey man, could you reach out to me? Appears that your inbox is full!
 
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