W.G. Rawbone SxS - Rawbone Gun and Manufacturing Co. in Toronto, Canada

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A lot of contradictory information about Rawbone.
But! The important part is they were here, in Canada and were selling English shotguns under their brand - W.G. Rawbone, Toronto.

William George Rawbone (born 1809 in London) was a gunmaker believed to have trained in Birmingham, England, where he appears to have been active early in his career.
In 1848, he took his wife and five children to Cape Town, South Africa. By 1852 he had established his own firm.
During the 1850s, Rawbone was also recorded as making percussion rifles in Cape Town. By 1852 the sons John William and William were already involved in the business and appear to have taken over much of its management.
In 1860, during the visit of Prince Alfred, John William and William Rawbone formally took over the management of the firm, although the name W. & G. Rawbone continued to be used.
In 1861, W. G. Rawbone and his son Henry returned to England and opened a buying office or factory at Back of 21 Lower Loveday Street, Birmingham.
In 1862, W. G. Rawbone patented a sporting rifle sight (Patent No. 2530).
That same year John Rawbone left the family firm in Cape Town and opened a competing business at 13 Burg Street.
In 1865, the Birmingham factory moved to Hope Works, Theodore Street, where it remained recorded until 1869.
In 1868, John Rawbone closed his firm at 13 Burg Street and rejoined William, trading as W. & J. Rawbone.
In 1869, W. G. Rawbone reportedly retired, and the Birmingham factory was taken over by Joseph Loxton Rawbone (possibly a relative).

It is believed that W. G. Rawbone, possibly accompanied by Henry Rawbone, travelled through the United States and Canada, and in 1873 established the Rawbone Gun and Manufacturing Co. in Toronto, Canada. Rawbone may have returned to England or Cape Town around 1877.

In 1893, W. G. Rawbone died, though the location is unknown.
Around 1900, William Rawbone retired and his son T. M. Rawbone took over the operations.

Because the Rawbone family operated businesses in England, South Africa, Canada, and the United States, often simultaneously, the history of the firm is confusing and sometimes contradictory.

Here's a fair condition survivor in 11ga(!) Looks like approximately 1855-1875 made.
Help me to identify original UK maker behind this SxS.

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Yes, it would be 10ga. 2 7/8" chamber length?
I'd call that better than "fair" condition. Are the bores good, and is the action tight?
Are the locks half #### or are the hammers rebounding?
I'd suggest 1870s.
Rawbone marked guns do turn up with some frequency. The company must have been a major retailer in the period.
Complex company history!
 
Can't measure chambers exactly, but 2 7/8" sounds about right. Half #### safety, not rebounding. Mechanically perfect and lockup is tight. There's a hairline crack in the wrist and a chip missing from forend, I usually stay away from cracks, but the gun fits well into my "Canadian shotguns" collection.
Have you seen South Africa marked Rawbones in Canada?
 
Help me to identify original UK maker behind this SxS.

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I agree on an early 1870s date. As to the actual builder, I can't quite make out the initials stamped on the under-rib between the lumps. These might help determine whether the gun came out of the Rawbone workshop in Birmingham, if it still existed, or was brought in from one of the several hundred other workbenches or handful of factories in operation at the time. Sometimes one gets lucky in tracing the workmen/workbench responsible for the gun, or parts of the gun, but often that information does not survive. Any chance of a clearer picture?
 
I've only ever seen the Toronto address on Rawbone guns.
It sounds as if the gun is a shooter (with appropriate ammunition) if you were to choose to do so.
I have a vintage 10 bore double; bought cases, trimmed them to length, made a wadcutter, and purchased a roll crimper to use in the drill press. Good shooter. "Square" loads - 1 1/4oz shot, equal volume of Fg powder. Wads cut from card and cork.
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Much clearer, thanks. But it doesn't help that the most common names in the gunmaking world were John, James, and William... Just going on who was making guns or working in the gun trade in Birmingham in the early 1870s, the following names pop up:

Joseph Clabrough
John Clive, barrel maker
John Thomas Cook & Sons
James Cooney, barrel maker
John H Crane
John Crawford, barrel maker

William Carter
William Cashmore
William Chapman
William Clark
William Collins

So, I'm afraid I'm out of ideas as to who did the barrels or put together the gun!
 
What are these proof-marks on the left, on both barrels upside down - crown above RH(?) above 4(?)
Unfortunately, the stamping is not clear. It looks like a small, smudged version of the "Mark No. 4, denoting definitive proof for black powder only" (crown over BP). I don't know when the Birmingham proof house started using this mark (it was officially used after 1903, but it may have been used earlier). It is not described in the Gun Barrel Proof Act of 1868, and I don't have all the later revisions.
 
I have a rifle barrel marked WG Rawbone Capetown, it is a 6 bore rifle that has been a project for many years. Not sure it will ever get done.
 
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