W harris shotgun, repost, more info

IanC

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Hey there, I know i posted a while ago on this but still no luck on maker, origin value. Ive gone to several smiths, some think england and some belgian, no real clear picture yet. Figured i would try here agiain with better pics of the proofs and other features.
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Looks like a decent quality Birmingham made gun, perhaps made as early as the 1870s. The action, the half ####/full #### hammers (rather than rebounding) suggest earlier, rather than later manufacture. Top lever actions, with rebounding hammers became standard rather rapidly. Is the action tight? Are the bores clear? Might be a black powder shooter. It doesn't look though as if the barrels are tight to the breech face.
 
My guess would be made before 1875 for several reasons; the fore end is held on by a cross pin rather than the various spring loaded methods, non rebounding hammers, and it does not appear to be choked.
I think you need to have it checked by a gunsmith who is knowledgeable of antique guns rather than just any gunsmith. It looks like the right firing pin is a haywire replacement and needs replacing and the solder job holding the upper rib at the breach looks a bit shaky. Need to check the ribs are tight and barrel pitting is minimal.

cheers mooncoon
 
Boothroyd's: "Directory of British Gunmakers" may offer some light on "W. Harris & Co.". Unfortunately, my copy is on loan...so no info readily available. There may be a link through gunmakers: "Harris & Trulock". An amalgamation of the two firms may have occurred at a latter time. Not sure, but may be of some use in researching the gun.
An internet site that may prove of value, is: "Internet Gun Club".
internetgunclub.com/general/history.php
As previously noted, this gun appears to have been built prior to 1875, as the pinned forearm and proof marks on the barrel (Birmingham) more certainly appear to indicate. As a matter of interest, all British made choke-bored guns manufactured between 1875 and 1887 were required to be stamped "not for ball". So, this would also help indicate a manufacture date prior to 1875. The "13" stamped on the barrels indicates the gauge: 13-gauge. This was normally measured 9 inches form the breech end of the gun and indicates the gauge of the barrel at its widest point, excluding the chamber.
DO NOT fire modern smokeless cartridges in this gun! Have it checked by a competent gunsmith before even thinking about firing it. Then, should it pass muster, shoot only cartridges loaded with black powder. While you're at it, be sure to have the chamber dimensions checked, as it will likely be a 2 1/2-inch chamber(fairly standard for British game guns).
Hope this helps. It can be difficult and frustrating trying to find info on many of these small gunmaking shops, as little or no information often exists.
 
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