Walnut on Danish Garand?

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Hey all,

Bought a Danish Garand a few months back, it has the ugly dark beech stock on it. I am planning on putting a nice walnut stock on it (I just bought two off of a member on here). I am planning on selled the beech wood for it after, but my question is, will the Danish Garand be worth more with the beech wood? Will trying to sell it in the walnut detract from the value? Thanks!

Duncan
 
The beechwood stocks were Danish made replacements for the original US GI stocks. They were also used as replacements on the Breda and Beretta rifles that the danes purchased from Italy.

The beechwood stocks can be quite attractive and do appeal to some folk. Overall condition of the metal finish and wood is the most important thing. On the overall a nice condition beechwood stock would enhance the appeal of a rifle more than a dried out/split/chipped/gouged/over-sanded walnut one. All things being equal most folk would have a preference for the walnut.

Things like bore condition and overall condition of metal and wood, walnut or beech, are what people look for and these are what set the value.
 
more worried about it being worth less. The metal, parkerizing, and bore are all fantastic. The stock is OK. I dont want to lose value by putting a walnut stock on it to make it look better! The beechwood is a weird color, and makes the rifle as a whole look almost green or something.
 
The problem with Danish stocks is that they are usually stamped with a serial number on the butt. They also quite often have a tag inside the fore end that has the soldiers name on it that it was issued to.

You might not detract from its value right away, but in the end, if the barrel is VAR marked and a serious collector wants it, then you will lose value if you replace the stock.

On the other hand, if it still has its original Springfield barrel and you can find a Springfield stock for it, you may even increase the value slightly.

One thing about milsurps, they are like the stock market in many ways. Depending on the economy, they can get either very expensive or very cheap. If you have something that is very unique, the value will pretty much peak out and stay there for a long time.

One thing to consider about Garands in decent condition. They have always kept their value at around one weeks gross pay. Back when they first started to surplus them in the mid sixties, a VG+ specimen would sell for $125. That was a lot of money back then. That kind of money, was approximately what a tradesman would gross in a week. Some were paid more, with overtime etc but with standard 40 hour weeks, that would have been the norm. Even a fair only specimen sold for around $80.

A Garand in VG+ condition will sell for around $800 - $1000, no matter what kind of stock it has on it. IMHO, as much as I like Garands and 1903s, I definitely feel they are overpriced. But that's the way the market goes. Next year, depending on imports, they may be worth half of what they are now. Look at Mosin Nagant rifles as an example. A couple of years ago you couldn't touch one for less than $200 now they are going for $100+ unless you have a more valuable variant. The same goes for SKSs. Garands and any other milsurp is dependent on the availability and the markets.
 
You absolutely would not BELIEVE the woodwork on the ones that the guards carry at the Royal palaces.

No Beechwood for those boys, I can tell you!

If you are all that concerned about "value", why not put on a nice set of walnut, French-polish the hell out of it and have it like that. Just don't make the mistake of selling off the wood that came with the thing. When you decide to unload the rifle, it goes with TWO sets of wood.... and you get your nickels back.

FWIW.
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I don't think that the ex-Danish Garands, other than the Breda and Beretta models that the Danes purchased from Italy, have much of a collector premium by reason of having been in Danish service.

What appeals to most folks is that they are bona-fide US M1 Garands which were made during WW2 by Winchester and Springfield. Most of the Danish rifles were re-built at least once during their use by the Danish military since 1950 and will therefore exhibit a jumble of various makers parts, incl Springfield, Winchester, Beretta(PB marked), and Breda(BMR or BMB marked). The Danes also made a few replacement parts themselves, most notably Beechwood stocks and handguards, VAR barrels, and VAR elevation pinions. Stocks will pretty much always bear the rifles s/n stamped on the bottom in front of the butt swivel. Many stocks will also have the Danish targetting sticker inside the stock at the bottom of the forend. Bolts will often show the s/n of the rifle as well.

I've owned and handled quite a number of the ex-Danish rifles and have only owned 3 that were almost devoid of some parts or markings indicating Danish ownership. These include;
-a WRA with no Danish/PB/BMB-BMR parts, except for a BMR marked rear sight cover. No stock sticker or s/n on either the bolt or stock.
-a stone mint 1942 SA with original barrel and Raritan Arsenal replacement stock with a Danish Navy anchor and 4 digit inventory number on the rear sight cover. No stock sticker or s/n on bolt and stock either. This one was a real "rack queen". I've sometimes thought of swapping out the Danish nany "tatoo", but it is quite distinctive.
- an M1D which only shows a Danish inventory and Crown/FKF device on the M84 scope. The stock has the s/n on the top edge below the op rod handle which is a departure from the normal Danish marking practice. No stock sticker either.

Collectors and shooters really haven't awoken to the desirability of the Beretta and Breda rifles. They are of the highest workmanship made under peacetime conditions by 2 long established manufacturers, and are at the top end of specs, in addition to their scarcity in relation to other makes of the Garand. There were only approx 10,000 of each made vs millions of Springfields and hundreds of thousands made by each of Winchester, Harrington& Richardson and International Harvester.

The Danish VAR barrels are a nice bonus too as they tend to be lighly worn and exhibit excellent accuracy, assuming that the rifle is properly set up. These replacement barrels can be found on any make of ex-Danish Garand. Maybe some day they will aquire a collector appeal of their own.
 
That Breda Garand is the closest to original, matching condition that one could expect to find. There are a couple of things to note:
- the bolt is not original to the receiver. This is due to the fact that all of the Danish surplus Garands were shipped with bolts removed and shipped separately. I've never seen or heard of one where someone was able to locate the correctly stamped original bolt after the fact. It is a Breda made bolt though.
- the stock is original to the rifle showing a matching s/n on the left side. This was applied by the factory at time of manufacture. Beretta stocks are marked the same way. Note that the Danes didn't do their usual stamping of the s/n on the bottom of this stock in front of the butt swivel. Few stocks escaped this.

Almost every part on the Breda Garands, except for pins, screws, springs, and sling swivels are stamped either "BMR" or "BMB". Same for the Beretta Garands which are stamped "PB". This even includes small parts like the extractor and firing pin.

Original stocks for the Beretta and Breda rifles are made from European Walnut which has some nice figure in it. I have an original, un-refinished mint Beretta stock which is a very pretty redddish walnut color.
 
I've got a few with BR parts, where do these fit in the garand scheme of things?

Also have VB and VB/PB marked gas screw and lock.

I've also become partial to the PB/BM59 marked front sight which is slightly narrower than both stock and 0.062 NM width blade

R
 
That Breda Garand is the closest to original, matching condition that one could expect to find. There are a couple of things to note:
- the bolt is not original to the receiver. This is due to the fact that all of the Danish surplus Garands were shipped with bolts removed and shipped separately. I've never seen or heard of one where someone was able to locate the correctly stamped original bolt after the fact. It is a Breda made bolt though.
- the stock is original to the rifle showing a matching s/n on the left side. This was applied by the factory at time of manufacture. Beretta stocks are marked the same way. Note that the Danes didn't do their usual stamping of the s/n on the bottom of this stock in front of the butt swivel. Few stocks escaped this.

Almost every part on the Breda Garands, except for pins, screws, springs, and sling swivels are stamped either "BMR" or "BMB". Same for the Beretta Garands which are stamped "PB". This even includes small parts like the extractor and firing pin.

Original stocks for the Beretta and Breda rifles are made from European Walnut which has some nice figure in it. I have an original, un-refinished mint Beretta stock which is a very pretty redddish walnut color.

The Itallian walnut stocks were made by sile and will be stamped "SILE" under the buttplate. My Breda still sports the original itallian stock.
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My Beretta came in the ugliest Dane beech I ever seen....sold it off, stuck it in a boyds purely for asthetic reasons :)
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I've got a few with BR parts, where do these fit in the garand scheme of things?

Also have VB and VB/PB marked gas screw and lock.

I've also become partial to the PB/BM59 marked front sight which is slightly narrower than both stock and 0.062 NM width blade

R

These are Beretta markings, but weren't used on the Danish contract rifles. Beretta produced Garands and a whole series of offshoots and associated spares culminating in the BM59. These were furnished to the Italian Army as well as a number of foreign militaries. You can also find "BR" marked hammers and PB marked trigger housings for the Garand with different drawing numbers. Here's an interesting twist-a Garand stock ferrule marked with both "PB" and "BMB".

Quite a few of the BM59 parts are interchangeable with the Garand and are of high quality. For a shooter rifle look for a BM59 gas cylinder plug. These fit the M1 gas cyl and have no valve which can leak gas when the plunger part is fouled or the inside face is cracked. They have an allen wrench socket in the front face.
 
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A rack grade Springfield with Danish markings is a good representative example of a Danish rifle. The only problem is guys who read the internet only want to buy USGI primo stuff. Such is the culture domination of America ;-(
 
Thanks Purple,

I've got a pair of the BM59 gas lock screws. One has a wierd green finish with black on the flat surfaces.

I also have a safety marked both BMB and PB.

R
 
I should note that the threads do not go the full depth of a garand plug if using on a garand gas cylinder and lock. There should be enough threads engaged; however, I like to mill the gas lock back a wee bit where the shoulder of the gas lock screw sits. I put my other (black, not green) screw up on EE...

Quite a few of the BM59 parts are interchangeable with the Garand and are of high quality. For a shooter rifle look for a BM59 gas cylinder plug. These fit the M1 gas cyl and have no valve which can leak gas when the plunger part is fouled or the inside face is cracked. They have an allen wrench socket in the front face.
 
Thanks Purple :(. I own a IH 1954 and now I am going to buy one of these Italian babies due to your excellent description and knowledge passed on. Keep up the good work you are going to have a few of us broke buying them :)
 
I get about three threads engaged with a BM59 plug in standard lock while the regular plug gets twice as many into the cylinder threads. I probably worry too much...
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R
 
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