Walther P22 bites the dust! :(

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My P22 died on the weekend. :(

I had been experiencing a problem with it over the past few months that I couldn't figure out. Sometimes the movement of the slide would not lock the hammer into the fully cocked position - especially if you cycled it by hand in a not very "brisk" way. The cycling of the gun by a round would lock the hammer back basically 100% of the time, but it was like 75% of the time by hand. After much experimentation I determined that it was nothing to do with the hammer or receiver, it seemed that the slide was not fitting as tightly to the receiver as it needed to be - but I couldn't figure out why. The rails at the back were not worn down much - certainly not enough to do anything like this - and the metal "runners" inside the slide didn't appear to have moved or anything like that.

This weekend my girlfriend and I had another couple with us at the range. I was watching my friend's wife shooting the P22 and all of a sudden the frame flies off the front of the gun and lands about 4-5 feet in front of the bench in the snow! The spring and the guide rod just dribbled out the front of the gun and landed on the table. All of us were like, "what the fu*k?" When we went to look at the gun during ceasefire, this is what we found:

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I think what was happening the last few months was that the inability of the slide to lock the hammer down unless it was forced back quickly was because of a crack that was developing at the front of the slide. The physics involved in the slide flying off the front of the gun like that are pretty mind-boggling. The slide would have to have been forced back so hard that the front of it cracked, it bent upwards enough to clear the fixed barrel (as on disassembly) and flew forward. My friend's wife thought it was something she did. I'm just glad nobody got hurt.

This gun had around 35,000 rounds through it in it's short life. Sometimes as many as 525 in one day. It also ate a steady diet of CCI Mini-mag, Velocitor, Stinger, Yellowjacket and other high and hyper velocity ammo. I am recommending that people don't do this with their P22's if they want them to live. At the very least stay away from Stingers. I thought it was o.k., but it seems to have killed the gun off in less than 2 years. Use of the heavy duty ammo was mostly in the last year. The ammo we were using when the gun died was Remmington Cyclone.

Well... she was a good gun. Fun to shoot, she served us well. Now I have to think about what I am going to do for a .22 pistol. I sold my Mosquito and now my P22 has died. I'm thinking about getting one of those Beretta target .22's, but I have to decide what to so with the P22 "carcass". I suppose I could get it de-registered and sell off whatever parts I can - the 106mm barrel, the 4 mags I have, etc. Either that or I could try and find another slide or another P22 to get back in business with this brand of gun.

I'd like to hear what you guys think. A slide is probably going to be impossible to get. Anybody that busted another part of the gun and wants to sell the slide?
 
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ghostie, I am glad no one was hurt. The P22 pistols have always been a curiosity to me. Why? They either work great or they are a POS. With this said, that is one hell of a high round count (35,000) and not many handguns reach that level. Lastly, buy a CZ75 and a Kadet unit as they make a great .22 pistol. Regards, Richard:D
 
IMO 35k of 22 cal ammo should not inflict that much of damage to a slide. I've seen 22 cal gone thru much more than 35k rounds, but not have that much of a damage. I use to have a Nomad that had gone thru almost 70K rounds with no problem.
If I were you I would contact your Walther dealer. just my 2-cents
 
Yah, the whole thing is pretty crazy. The more I think about it, the more I am just glad that the front of the slide didn't break off completely - which it appears that it very nearly did. If it had broken off completely it could have slammed into my friend's wife's face from two feet away. There would have been nothing to hold it back. It is the recoil spring that somehow slingshoted it forward. If I hadn't been standing right there and seen it with my own eyes, I would have a hard time believing it was possible for the slide to fly forward off the gun like that.

The gun was bought at Lever Arms in Vancouver. The Walther distributor for Canada is what? FN Sports? I guess it would be the same people as Smith & Wesson, whoever that is. I will look into it. My only concern is that I'm sure I voided any kind of warranty I might have had when I had the barrel shortened. The job was done professionally by a very reputable gunsmith, and I really can't see how shortening a barrel from 127mm to 106mm would make any difference on something like this. This is what the gun looked like:

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It seems to be fairly common with these guns. Inferior metal or a bad design or both.

I won't buy one or recommend them to any students now. Too dangerous.
 
It seems to be fairly common with these guns. Inferior metal or a bad design or both.

I won't buy one or recommend them to any students now. Too dangerous.

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IIRC the slide is made of cast zinc or something stupid like that...

I dont think they are even really "made" by walther either, i think they are made by the same company that makes the Sig mosquito... can confirm this though.
 
Did you change recoil springs? 35K is more than enough rounds to wear out a recoil spring ;) it looks like the spring was either worn out or too light for the hotter .22 ammo and the slide got beaten to death (by repetedly hitting the frame at hi speed)

I would just try to get another slide. Since the frame is the actual firearm, no need to re clasify the gun as paper weight.
 
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That's unreal - my P22 is well past 20K rounds and I've had it for about two years. Just the other day, I was telling someone how it's the only gun I own that I could see breaking by just being dropped on the ground

Nice looking, great to shoot, but cheaply built and designed

Ghostie - I'm still looking for someone to shorten my barrel down, but I'd much rather buy yours if you decide to sell it. Please PM if it's up for grabs I'll take it
 
That's unreal - my P22 is well past 20K rounds and I've had it for about two years. Just the other day, I was telling someone how it's the only gun I own that I could see breaking by just being dropped on the ground

Nice looking, great to shoot, but cheaply built and designed

Ghostie - I'm still looking for someone to shorten my barrel down, but I'd much rather buy yours if you decide to sell it. Please PM if it's up for grabs I'll take it

x2 if Fonix bails.

And maybe the mags too!
 
Sorry for your lost, but on the bright side, she had already paid for herself. Not many P22 can withstand this high round count at least my P22 chip off a little at the silde after only 1800 rounds.

Trigun
 
The bright side to this is that no one got hurt, you got good use out of it AND you have a valid excuse to buy a new .22 lr!! :D
 
+1

IIRC the slide is made of cast zinc or something stupid like that...
Exactly. The slide is made of a zinc alloy, so it's no big surprise that it cracked. For the life of me, I can't understand why people continue buying these pieces of sh*t.
 
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