Walther P22 vs. SIG Mosquito
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Oops... I typo'd his name in my earlier post. It's actually "Barry".Fonix said:
He's pretty cool guy. He's an ex-cop from South Africa - SAP, the "South African Police" which I think is basically the equivalent of the RCMP down there. He's kind of a "take no guff" guy who works at his own pace - which I can respect. He does great work. He did some work on my Mini-14 too. So, just let him do things his way and you'll get a good result.
I was thinking of getting a bunch of P22's and finding a gunsmith that would do like 20 of them - get this barrel shortening down to a science - but then I wonder if people would really pay like $650 for one of these guns? (which is about what you'd have to sell it for to make it worthwhile). Mosquitos could be shortenend a similar way and the results would probably be very cool. The barrel on a U.S. Mosquito should be about 101 or 102mm, so you'd only be like 4-5mm beyond that with the finished product.
How many people out there would pay more for shortened P22's and Mosquitos? How much more? Any gunsmiths have any ideas on other ways of doing this?
ghostie said:
Yea, I know a few South Africans, there all like that. Great guys. A good friend of mine served in the SA Forces, and some of his stories are just insane.
ghostie said:
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I'd be in for the P22 idea in a heartbeat. Of all of the people I've shown my P22 to, all of them LOVED it once they got to hold it and see it, but all agreed that the 'compansater' is just way out of place on it. Keep me posted if you actually consider ordering some, I can get them at a bit of a discounted rate, and there are people out there willing to pay $700 for them.
I just checked the barrel and bore of my Sig Mosquito, and found that there is NO rifling in the extenstion part of the barrel!
I am now interested in shortening the barrel of the Mosquito. Get rid of the thread adapter. It will look much better without affecting accuracy.
I am now interested in shortening the barrel of the Mosquito. Get rid of the thread adapter. It will look much better without affecting accuracy.
Ok so here my story on the p22 I bought it new in May 2006 for my wife had problems with it from day one ,lots misfires jamming inaccurate and to top it off the p22 broke down after about 1500rounds prob something wrong with firing pin I think Don't know for sure because after I brought it back to the store last September I still dont know whats wrong with it and I get no responce other than we don't know from the gun store owner so also s**tty customer service and yes it is a dealer that advertises on GCN
So I do not think its a gun I would recommend to any one.
So I do not think its a gun I would recommend to any one.
Gambit,
I've done some reading, and apparently the P22 likes to eat firing pin springs or something. It's apparently quite common, so you may want to have a look at that. I'm thinking the sig may be the way to go. Every .22 autoloader is ammo fussy, so why not just jump on the wagon...
I've done some reading, and apparently the P22 likes to eat firing pin springs or something. It's apparently quite common, so you may want to have a look at that. I'm thinking the sig may be the way to go. Every .22 autoloader is ammo fussy, so why not just jump on the wagon...
--Terry-- said:
Hey Terry,
Looking at my SIG Mosquito barrel, the lands and grooves definitely extend right out to the end of the threaded part of the barrel. I'd post a pic but I'm charging my camera battery at the moment. I'll post one later. I'm interested to have a look at your Mosquito now, next time I see you and your wife at the range. You may well be right. On mine though, you can definitely see the lands at the end of the barrel.
Here are some pics of the extras that go with the SIG. I measured out 106mm on the barrel. You could probably just cut it off right where the threads start. So you would have the black barrel sleave, then just that smooth metal part. Get a gunsmith to do it though. You don't want the RCMP seizing your gun and sending it to Ottawa to be measured.
First pic shows the difference in the three front sites. Which one do you use Terry? I find the tall one to be the only one that works unless you adjust the rear sight (which I don't really want to mess with).
The other pic shows the heavier spring and the wrenches that come with the gun.
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I guess I was on drugs when I looked at the bore last time. Today I looked again, and I saw rifling all the way to the muzzle opening. So I was wrong last time.
But it is an interesting idea to measure the barrel length, and find out whether we can chop off the part with the threads. I will do some measuring, and talk to my gun smith about it. If you are doing the same thing, maybe we should do it together if we could have a better deal.
Sights:
I started shooting the Mosquito with the medium sight, but bullets flew everywhere. For some time I thought I boutght a bad product. But later I found that I was forcing myself to aim slightly lower, and that was the cause of the problem. I now use the highest sight (same as you do), and at about 10 - 15 meters it is right on.
I also recommend all Mosquito users to change the front sight to the tallest one.
But it is an interesting idea to measure the barrel length, and find out whether we can chop off the part with the threads. I will do some measuring, and talk to my gun smith about it. If you are doing the same thing, maybe we should do it together if we could have a better deal.
Sights:
I started shooting the Mosquito with the medium sight, but bullets flew everywhere. For some time I thought I boutght a bad product. But later I found that I was forcing myself to aim slightly lower, and that was the cause of the problem. I now use the highest sight (same as you do), and at about 10 - 15 meters it is right on.
I also recommend all Mosquito users to change the front sight to the tallest one.
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Here's some more pictures of the Mosquito.
I decided to take the grips off to clean out the rest of the white "packing goo" that the pistol is shipped with. Some of the white goo can still be seen in these pictures.
The mag release button and mechanism will just push right out this side.
Spring at the rear:
In using my Mosquito lately, I've learned a few things, some of which I've mentioned elsewhere:
- Switch the front sight to the tallest of the three;
- The gun may be shipped as mine was, with the rear sight moved to the left. Move it right to the middle by turning the screw on the rear sight toward you (if you are pointing the gun away from you);
- If you get those two things right, the gun starts to get a lot more accurate .
- Just use the longer (weaker) recoil spring no matter what ammo you use;
- Use CCI Mini-mags or Velocitors for the first few hundred rounds. After that Stingers and Standard Velocity work flawlessly as well. No guarantees on any other brand of ammo;
- Unlike the P22, the barrel sleeve cannot be seperated from the barrel on a Sig Mosquito. The only way to do anything with the barrel is to remove the whole barrel assembly from the frame of the gun. This can be done by removing the two screws at the front.
- Occasionally check the screw that is exposed when you turn the take down lever to the take down position. It should be snug. If it isn't you could get some movement in the barrel.
The gun has been working great. It's not as fast shooting as the P22, but it seems to be slightly more accurate (just slightly though). The difference in speed is the trigger. The Mosquito has a fair bit of take-up in the trigger even in single action, whereas the P22 has very little take-up so it is BAM!BAM!BAM!BAM!
If there was ever a problem with these guns, I have certainly not experienced it. Like the P22, the Mosquito is 500 bucks very well spent.
I'm really hoping that Glock, HK and some of the other companies get off their high horses and come forward with their own factory .22LR pistol. Apparantly the P22 and the Mosquito have - despite all the #####ing online - been huge sellers in the States. They are also both really fun guns. The temptation for the other companies to get into this end of the market must be growing.
I decided to take the grips off to clean out the rest of the white "packing goo" that the pistol is shipped with. Some of the white goo can still be seen in these pictures.
The mag release button and mechanism will just push right out this side.
Spring at the rear:
In using my Mosquito lately, I've learned a few things, some of which I've mentioned elsewhere:
- Switch the front sight to the tallest of the three;
- The gun may be shipped as mine was, with the rear sight moved to the left. Move it right to the middle by turning the screw on the rear sight toward you (if you are pointing the gun away from you);
- If you get those two things right, the gun starts to get a lot more accurate
.- Just use the longer (weaker) recoil spring no matter what ammo you use;
- Use CCI Mini-mags or Velocitors for the first few hundred rounds. After that Stingers and Standard Velocity work flawlessly as well. No guarantees on any other brand of ammo;
- Unlike the P22, the barrel sleeve cannot be seperated from the barrel on a Sig Mosquito. The only way to do anything with the barrel is to remove the whole barrel assembly from the frame of the gun. This can be done by removing the two screws at the front.
- Occasionally check the screw that is exposed when you turn the take down lever to the take down position. It should be snug. If it isn't you could get some movement in the barrel.
The gun has been working great. It's not as fast shooting as the P22, but it seems to be slightly more accurate (just slightly though). The difference in speed is the trigger. The Mosquito has a fair bit of take-up in the trigger even in single action, whereas the P22 has very little take-up so it is BAM!BAM!BAM!BAM!
If there was ever a problem with these guns, I have certainly not experienced it. Like the P22, the Mosquito is 500 bucks very well spent.
I'm really hoping that Glock, HK and some of the other companies get off their high horses and come forward with their own factory .22LR pistol. Apparantly the P22 and the Mosquito have - despite all the #####ing online - been huge sellers in the States. They are also both really fun guns. The temptation for the other companies to get into this end of the market must be growing.
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Don't buy the P22, it's a complete POS. Mine jammed with every kind of .22 ammo I could put in it, High Velocity, Standard Velocity, Hyper Velocity, etc. I even switched mags and took it to a gun smith who couldn't tell me what was wrong with it.
Take a box 500 standard velocity round nosed and proceed to shoot through the entire box. There may be some jams. Afterwards try 50 Stingers and you will see how well the problem has been fixed.
Did you bother to polish the feed ramp? After I did this I had no FTF's.
Did you bother to polish the feed ramp? After I did this I had no FTF's.
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That white packing goo is a lubricant that they put in all of the sig pistols I think. I would leave it there.
I would never buy or recomend a p22 to anyone for any reason, especialy new inexperienced shooters who need above all a reliable and durable gun to ramp up there interest in firearms. They may be easly dicouraged with something that doesn't work quite right.
Can't go wrong with a ruger mk2
I would never buy or recomend a p22 to anyone for any reason, especialy new inexperienced shooters who need above all a reliable and durable gun to ramp up there interest in firearms. They may be easly dicouraged with something that doesn't work quite right.
Can't go wrong with a ruger mk2
..again - the P22 thing. Do you own one?
Just curious because I read all of the horror stories..bought it anyway, it's eaten in excess of 10,000 rounds and I can honestly tell you that maybe 3 rounds did not feed, and I had one round not ignite. Keep in mind I also use very cheap Blazer ammo.
I don't like the fact that if feels very fragile though. Not a gun you can bang around at all.
Just curious because I read all of the horror stories..bought it anyway, it's eaten in excess of 10,000 rounds and I can honestly tell you that maybe 3 rounds did not feed, and I had one round not ignite. Keep in mind I also use very cheap Blazer ammo.
I don't like the fact that if feels very fragile though. Not a gun you can bang around at all.
No, I mean the screw on the other side should be snug to prevent the barrel assembly from tilting up and down slightly.daroccot said:
The screw that you are pointing at (and by your question I'm assuming you know this) turns with the takedown lever.
This is not the advice I received from the dealer or my gunsmith. When I got the pistol, it looked like someone had taken a big sqeeze bottle of white handcream and poured it into the insides of the gun. It was way beyond what I have seen in any other new gun I've bought. None of the 9mm and above SIG pistols I have looked at, whether refurb or new, have had this kind of goo in them. Most pistols are shipped with some kind of long term lube in them (Glocks come with that copper coloured paste, for example), but not like this. If I had left it in there, the gun would have fouled up something fierce as soon as I started shooting it. Some of it I left in, particularly in the lower parts of the gun away from the chamber, but most of it I removed and replaced with a little bit of light lubricant.Big JD-From the hills said:
Ditto these comments. These guns are fantastic. I highly recommend both of them to anyone getting started in pistol shooting, or to anyone else who is interested in shooting .22LR pistols.Fonix said:
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