Walther P99 need info

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I'm soon going to be trained with the Walther P99 AS 9mm for my work.

I did my research on it but I read somewhere that one of the weaknesses is the the firing pin can easily break by dry firing....

Is this true?

Also Id like to know the Pros and Cons ppl may have about this gun.

Thanks
 
If it's supplied by your work, I'm sure you'll have easy access to spare parts.
The gun is very accurate, very reliable. The grip is extremely ergonomic, leading to good accuracy.


The A/S trigger is perhaps the best trigger in a polymer pistol. You'll have 3 trigger modes.

1. Long S/A, rack slide, trigger returns forward, after very light pressure it clicks and sets into short S/A mode, or if you just pull it feels like long s/a
2. Short S/A mode, this mode is extremely crisp, short, with ultra short reset. this is the mode activated by the slide after the first shot or if you carefully pull on the long s/a mode till it 'clicks'.
3. D/A mode, rack slide, push decock. heavy D/A trigger which is still much lighter than the D/A mode on traditional DA pistols, around 8-10 lbs.

When I shoot this, I holster with the Long S/A mode, most guys in US advise decocking.

It's relatively compact and holds 16 rounds/ 15 with more recent mags. Stock sights are soft plastic so put in metal ones.

Cons

1. many gun ranges report fragility of parts


If it wasn't for its fragility and they made it more compact, I wouldn't have switched to HK P7's and P2000's from this gun. It's still one of the most accurate (for me anyway) pistols I've ever fired, I was able to outshoot a custom BHP with lightened trigger due to the ergonomic grip on the P99.
 
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I had one and it went bang everytime no FTF or FTE, more than I can say for 2 other brands before it. It`s a clever accurate designed pistol but very snappy due to low weight. I now have a CZ instead.
 
FWIW:

I keep hearing on this forum about the fragility of the Walther P99 platform, but I had one and it never missed a beat, and was amazingly accurate to boot..:)

You are welcome to "google", or use the "search" function on the various U.S. firearm forums if you care to check other owners experiences. (www.waltherforums.com is one) It seems the reputation for being "fragile" is more of a "Canadian Only" circumstance, as you just seldom hear anything bad reported about these excellent pistols from U.S. owners.

I think you'll be quite satisfied with the P99.. (I had the "AS" version).

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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You can a look at my old comparison thread here:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175105

The only gun from this comparison that I still have is the SIG 229 and, in my view, it is the best gun in that line-up

This is what I said about it at the time:

Walther P99:
Pros: One ofthe most innovative pistols of the last decade in my view: DA/SA striker fired pistol with top mounted decocker; five interchangable front sights; three interchangable backstraps; cocking indicator; loaded chamber indicator, etc. Is there another striker fired DA/SA gun on the market? It has superior accuracy to Glock-type pistols. Very ergonomic, comfortable grip.

Cons: Extremely light polymer frame seems to be the root cause of the very heavy "snap" recoil. The frame is lighter than a GLOCK to me.. and that is light. All polymer guns are top heavy, but this one seems to take it the furthest. One of the harder recoiling modern 9mm pistols in my view. Point of impact seems to rise out beyond 15m, which may also be connected to the "snap" issue. Not everyone seems to like the mag release... and it can be tight, especially when the mag is full. The other weird thing is that, because it is striker fired, unlike every other SA/DA gun the trigger does not move back by itself when the gun goes into SA mode. It just has minimal to non-existent resistance until you reach the SA break-point. You can get used to it, but I prefer the normal hammer fired SA/DA system (which is used on the P22, by the way).

What I would say about it now... I'm still not a big fan of the trigger. I found the trigger to have a bit of an unpredictable quality to it. Sure, it has the tiny SA re-set, but that is as much con as pro in my book. Theoretically it makes firing multiple shots faster, but I found it weird to get used to (I never did) and the potential for unexpected discharge is definitely there until you get really used to it.

I didn't actually find it all that accurate on deliberate slow fire... roughly in GLOCK 17 territory... maybe a little better (I know, despite what I said back then). Acceptable accuracy, but nothing to write home about. Certainly less accurate than a SIG or a P7 or even a USP-type gun (IMHO... YMMV). In rapid fire... double-taps, etc. .... fuggedabout it... the P99 is going to take a lot of training to get good accurate results. It has really got a lot of snap to it. The bore axis is too high and the slide is way too massive. This is something that HK really improved in the change from the USPs to the P2000/P30/HK45... reducing the mass of the slide.. and trying to get the bore axis down a bit. Walther needs a redesign in this category IMHO.

Having said all that... the guns are pretty "neat", and you are being issued it for work, so there isn't anything you can do about that anyway. I thought all the police and whatnot in QC that were issued P99's were issued the "quick action" models, not the "anti-stress" triggers. QA seems a lot more practical than AS for police or security work to me. The AS trigger seems like it is designed for some kind of practical shooting sports, it's just not a completely refined design for that purpose (in my view).

On the accuracy... this was me trying to put together good groups with the P99 at 10 yards (metres, or whatever) in September of 2007 when I still had the gun. I just could not get it down to tight sub two inch groups to save my life. Maybe other people can, but I couldn't. I can do it with other guns... but not the P99. And depending on what you use it for, maybe that doesn't matter. But I like a gun where, if I put my mind to it, I can pick off a toonie sized object with just about every shot at 10 yards... and a clay pigeon sized object with every shot at that range.

(From the old thread) :
Here are some targets from the P99 from yesterday (Sept. 1). This should give you an idea of the accuracy of the gun compared to the other guns in this thread. I find the gun to be reasonably accurate shooting offhand, but it has the distinct tendancy to shoot high for me. The 2 5/8 inch group below is about the best I can shoot this gun (in terms of grouping the shots on the bullseye, even though another group isan 1/8 of an inch smaller). I would have very little expectation of being able to get down into sub two inch groups with this gun. Having said that, like the Steyr and the GLOCK, the Walther is plenty accurate for the purpose it was designed for.

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Practical yes but Shooting an AS at the range... theres not that much stress going on compared to a police officer in a firearm crisis. AS is good for those cops whom don't know how to keep their finger off the trigger (because of stress) until ready to fire.
 
So I got my first day of training unfortunately only theory, but the Walther P99 we are using isn't the As model as i claimed, but it is the DAO (Double Action Only)..... Wow Fun......... can't wait to shoot that thing tomorrow at the range... :|
 
I have to agree with most of what Ghostie said in his updated review of the pistol. I had a P99 in .40SW for a couple of years and could never get consistently decent groups with it. I don't think it was the gun's inherent accuracy (it's a Walther barrel for god's sake) but the fact that its design doesn't make shooting it accurately easy.

The gun is very light (although I believe the specs show the Glock to be a tad lighter overall) but this combined with a high bore axis does make the gun snappy - especially in 40SW. This was actually my first handgun (in retrospect not a good choice - but it just looked so cool) and when I finally bought a couple of CZs and instantly redefined my average group size (for the better) I couldn't live with the P99 anymore, so I sold it. Since then I have added a couple of SIGs and an HKP7, all of which outshoot the Walther in my hands. Although I swore off plastic when I sold the P99, most recently I finally succumbed to the Glock "legend" and bought a G17. I actually shot it for the first time this afternoon and the groups were better than the Walther (but worse than all of my other guns). I've probably become a better shot since I got rid of the P99 so it may not be fair to compare my Glock groups today to the Walther groups from almost 2 years ago, but I can say that the lightweight Glocks do seem to manage recoil much better.
 
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