Walther P99
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Now thats just ignorant, The 17 was released in 1988 and the 20 was released in 1990. The glock 20 has seen 3 significant version changes since it's release and I am talking the difference between the first ones made that were imported from austria directly to the canadian market and those available today. As far as warranty goes the gun was shipped to glock USA and was returned to me saying that it was wear and tear and was not covered. They tried to say that there was many more rounds fired out of it than I claimed and would not do anything for me. I'm just trying to be helpfull and give some real hands on input.Bartledan said:
Fit and personal operation always a key factor. Problems/issues associated with each one aside, some people have pointing issues with the Glock and can't overcome it. Walther offers interchange grips, but some find they feel awkward in round the grip too much(for larger size). Then one has to pick the trigger style.
Steyr...don't know what issues are associated with the new A1s...but for me, it seems rather nice in fit and finish when playing with it, very slim.
Steyr...don't know what issues are associated with the new A1s...but for me, it seems rather nice in fit and finish when playing with it, very slim.
Brian46 said:
1982, for the G17. The only glocks to feature the gen 1 frame were the 17, 18, 18L, and the very first few 19s.
The first model 20s were relased for civilian sale in 1991, on gen 2 frames, and came through Smyrna. The frames are, and always have been made in Austria. Please provide a source for your assertion that there have been 3 significant changes, and no, the introdution of a light rail is not a significant change.
Simply put, your story about a bad customer service experience from glock is so contrary to the experience of, well, everyone, it is difficult to believe.
Sorry, my mistake the 17L was 1988.1982 was the year the austrian army decided on the 17. Here is your proof on there being 3 versions:http://atlantisarms.com/G20_Glock.htmlBartledan said:
Read the article below the specs, There are also other pages if you need more proof.
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Here are the release dates:
1963 - Glock GesmbH established in Deutsch-Wagram
1963 - Glock's first product: plastic curtain rods
1970s - Plastic kitchen boxes, machine gun ammo belts, shovels, and utility knives are offered.
1980 - Company founder Gaston Glock starts developing a gun
1982 - The Austrian army decides on the Glock 17
1984 - With service in the Norwegian army, the Glock leaves Austria
1985 - Glock Inc. in Smyrna, GA, established
1986 - G18 introduced
1988 - G17L and G19 introduced
1988 - All Glocks get serrated frontstraps and backstraps
1990 - G22 and G23 introduced: the first ever .40 S&W guns
1990 - G20 and G21 introduced
1994 - G24 introduced
1995 - G25 introduced
1996 - G26 and G27 introduced
1997 - G28, G29 and G30 introduced
1998 - G31, G32, G33, G34, G35 introduced
1999 - G36 introduced
From this page:http://www.glockfaq.com/
1963 - Glock GesmbH established in Deutsch-Wagram
1963 - Glock's first product: plastic curtain rods
1970s - Plastic kitchen boxes, machine gun ammo belts, shovels, and utility knives are offered.
1980 - Company founder Gaston Glock starts developing a gun
1982 - The Austrian army decides on the Glock 17
1984 - With service in the Norwegian army, the Glock leaves Austria
1985 - Glock Inc. in Smyrna, GA, established
1986 - G18 introduced
1988 - G17L and G19 introduced
1988 - All Glocks get serrated frontstraps and backstraps
1990 - G22 and G23 introduced: the first ever .40 S&W guns
1990 - G20 and G21 introduced
1994 - G24 introduced
1995 - G25 introduced
1996 - G26 and G27 introduced
1997 - G28, G29 and G30 introduced
1998 - G31, G32, G33, G34, G35 introduced
1999 - G36 introduced
From this page:http://www.glockfaq.com/
Brian46 said:
Yeah, this line:
sure is reminiscent of this line, ain't it?
and this line:
Not to put too fine a point on it, but these product descriptions were cut and pasted, then "find and replace" was used to change the model.
Stop diggin', pal. You got caught bull####ting on the web.
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I test fired all three trigger models both in 9mm an .40. The trigger system that came out on top for me was the QA (Quick Action). It's like a smooth double action (App 8 pounds of pressure) with a short reset for follow-up shots. The DAO was horrible (too long and too heavy) and the TDA was OK but I do not like switching from first shot in DA to subsequent shots in SA.
The .40 was snappy but not uncomfortable. The 9mm, even though it's far from being my favorite calibre, was a pure pleasure to shoot and very controlable during double taps.
The one thing I would change on all models is that the grip does not have enough texture. After a good amount of shooting, the gun would shift a bit in my hands when they got a bit sweaty.
I test fired all three trigger models both in 9mm an .40. The trigger system that came out on top for me was the QA (Quick Action). It's like a smooth double action (App 8 pounds of pressure) with a short reset for follow-up shots. The DAO was horrible (too long and too heavy) and the TDA was OK but I do not like switching from first shot in DA to subsequent shots in SA.
The .40 was snappy but not uncomfortable. The 9mm, even though it's far from being my favorite calibre, was a pure pleasure to shoot and very controlable during double taps.
The one thing I would change on all models is that the grip does not have enough texture. After a good amount of shooting, the gun would shift a bit in my hands when they got a bit sweaty.
Bartledan said:
I have never received good support from Glock. The average replacement time on damaged range guns is 2 years!! One of my Glock 34s lasted less than 5,000rds. It was sent to Glock for inspection in Nov 2003. Still no word.
Sorry but my experience with glock customer support closely mirrors that of Brian46.
Is it just me or do plastic guns not last as long as they used to. Back in the 90's glocks lasted years and over 100 000 rounds, Chuck Taylor's torture test of one was quite impressive. Now I hear of KB's, breaking after low round counts.
I love the way the P99 fits and it's accuracy and reliability. However its proneness to breaking made me lose faith in it. I am switching to 9mm 1911's. I figure if it can take a .45 it should last forever with 9mm.
I love the way the P99 fits and it's accuracy and reliability. However its proneness to breaking made me lose faith in it. I am switching to 9mm 1911's. I figure if it can take a .45 it should last forever with 9mm.
BKP99 said:
Glocks are great guns and last a long time, but unfortunately there is this crazy mystique that seems to imply that all of them will last 100,000 rds or more. They are made of the same materials other guns are made of, they break with roughly the same frequency.
even though they didn't want to do anything for me
