Walther pp opinions

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Any owners out there. With the fixed barrel and all, what's been your experience.
PP not PPK.
 
Fixed barrel, straight blow-back pistols in .380 AUTO are very, very snappy. Not really all that pleasant to shoot, but if you need to get your fix on a certain concept or idea, by all means do it.

If you have the option of going for something in a .32, that would be nice... but alas most of us don't (or sub 105mm barrels for that matter).
 
I own and shoot both the PP and PPK in 32 and 380. all are nice shooters. Even the aluminum alloy framed ones. Only area where you might experience some problems is that the round hammer tends to bite the web of your hand if you have a larger hand.
 
The concept being.... Ya mean fixed barrel accuracy vs the snap that will mitigate the gain. Ghostie you're right about the snap . But I will say 380 isn't a nine, And They keep
making them. With over 1000 posts , I'm just curious why you call yourself "Big mouth" because all the old farts have argued the old straight blowback question from the beginning.
You are right. They do sting half the time !
 
To avoid the slide bite with bigger / softer hands, an old boy who was issued one of these in WWII showed me to touch the thumb of your trigger hand to the "bad finger", which flattens the web of your hand. That's how the Wehrmacht taught shooting, apparently. No bite.
 
gravel said:
But I will say 380 isn't a nine, And They keep making them.
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.380 Auto is considerably less powerful than 9mm Luger. If you made a 9mm straight blow-back pistol, it would break itself apart over time. That is why you never see (that I am aware of anyway) a straight blow-back in 9mm. The PP, PPK, SIG P230/232, Makarov, Mauser HSC, HK P4-type pistols only go up to the .380 level (or Russian equivalent). For 9mm or bigger you have to have some sort of mechanism that locks the breach (and which has to be "unlocked" on recoil), like virtually all modern pistols, or something that retards the reward movement of the slide in some other way - like an HK P7 or a Steyr GB.

The flipside of this is that, a locked breach pistol in 9mm... even a small one like a SIG 239... has a lesser felt recoil than a straight blow-back in .380, like a SIG P230 or 232.

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With over 1000 posts , I'm just curious why you call yourself "Big mouth" because all the old farts have argued the old straight blowback question from the beginning.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this. The CGN system automatically changes you over from "Member" to "CGN Regular" at 100 posts; to "Big Mouth" when you hit 1,000 posts; "I have no life" at 2,000; and "HELP! I sold my soul to the internet" at 3,000. Personally I would rather be "CGN Regular" or "Member" but... I guess don't really care that much.

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The wehrmacht?
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Wehrmacht is a German word meaning "Defence Force", and is commonly used as a loan word in English to signify the German armed forces (all branches) from 1935-45, i.e. the Armed forces of the Third Reich (or at least the last 10 years of it). The Walther PP is a design from 1929. PPK from 1931. Both were issued to members of the Wehrmacht, among many others.
 
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The first handgun I bought was an Ulm werks PP in 7.65mm (.32 auto)
It was a pretty little thing, but... It sat in my safe for 25 years.
'Only came out to be molested once in a while and was only fired for schitz and giggles a few times.

Like I said... It was pretty, but its a little thing. Not incredibly accurate and the .32acp round, well... It's not exactly impressive.
 
While living in the US, I owned for over forty years a pre-WWII 7.65mm PPK. It was reasonably accurate (more accurate than I can shoot), and I carried it for some years when I held a license to do so. I stopped carrying it when I acquired a Seecamp .32, but I always shot it. I never found it difficult to shoot, but the double-action trigger is pretty bad. I had to work pretty hard to be able to get off a first, double-action shot that would hit what I was aiming at. I know that the .32 caliber cartridge is looked at with disdain these days, but at the time the gun was made, it was a standard for European police. The German army fielded lots and lots of .32 caliber handguns. Some German paratroops were issued the .32 caliber Sauer 38H and apparently thought it a good sidearm for close-up needs. Although the .32 is way below the power of a 9mm Para or any other "military" caliber, I doubt anyone who got shot by one thought of it as trivial. I had to sell it when I moved to Canada in 2006, and I'm sorry that had to be done.
 
I had a re-barreled to restricted status PP in .380. I found that on a typical range trip after about 50 rounds the novelty of shooting it wore off and was replaced by a dull throbbing in the web between your thumb and index finger. I never got hammer-bit but "snappy" is definitely a good way to desribe the felt recoil.
 
I have a ppk and have been bit a couple of times. Apart from the James Bond connection the (and the fact that most people can't own one) they are probably one of the most over rated handguns out there. I have a Browning BDA in .380 and I won't EVER sell it.
 
I bought a restricted PP Super reberreled in 9x18 Makarov , it's in the mail, I'll let you know ones it arrives :) but I suspect it will be a fun gun.
 
I've got a .32 post war Manhurin PP that I bought at LeBaron's years ago for $179 . I've never shot factory ammo through it but using a two hand hold, my reloads (100 gr. RN lead over 1.8 gr. of Bullseye) will consistently stay in the black on a 50 foot Bullseye target. Not bad for a peashooter.
 
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