I'm looking for some information on a walther ppk pistol. its stamped 7.62mm on side, has an eagle holding a swastika. condition is great looks to be well taken care of, rifleing is very crisp. i can't post a pic its my bosses gun and he has tryed to find info, but all comes to a dead end. his grand father brought it back from the war.records were lost during the war. just looking for any info on the gun for him and price so he can insure it for what its worth. thanks for your time.
walther ppk
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It's hard to tell about a pistol like that unless it can be examined. It would really be best to post some pictues. Because PPKs are "prohibited", and impossible for most Canadians to possess, they tend to have less value than they would in the US. They're very nicely designed pistols and were extensively used by Germans in many military and civilian occupations during the war. Originally designed as a plainclothes policeman's pistol about 1930, the military used them in lots of places during the war. Since the gun is "prohibited" your boss may want to keep it. There really are lots of places on-line that can provide information about these guns. If you (or your boss) has continuing trouble finding out about the gun, send me the serial number in a Private Message and I'll see what I can turn up.
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This sounds like an old story: grandpa's gun from the war, stashed in the attic where nobody (including the government) knew about it, discovered after he died and the heir doesn't even have a licence. Correct me if those details are wrong, but if your boss had an RPAL he wouldn't be using that ‘records lost in the war’ line.
It's a nifty looking and desireable piece, but unfortunately in Canada it is caught up in a bunch of complications.
The PPK in its original configuration will be Prohibited by barrel length (hand-gun under 105mm), known as 12(6.1) classification [or just 12(6)]. If the owner doesn't have 12(6) on his RPAL card, he cannot legally own it, and there is no way to get 12(6) status at this point in time. Such hand-guns produced prior to 1946 (World War II and earlier) can be inherited by direct family only (child, grand-child, spouse, or sibling), under Section 12(7) of the Firearms Act, so either your boss has a 12(6) PAL, or he might be eligible for one (under possession only).
Since the gun was property in the estate of the grand-father, if it was a legally owned gun it can be held by the executor of the estate for a reasonable time to arrange its disbursal, which will entail getting its papers in order (and a possible 12(7) heir licensed). If the gun was not registered under the current system, or the one which preceded it (green registration slips), the CFC won't consider it eligible to add as a new registration into their system of Prohibited fire-arms; if it comes to the attention of the Law, it will be confiscated.
Your boss should know that it is a highly controlled item, and the fact it was grandpa's old relic doesn't protect people from the many offences in the Criminal Code that deal with Prohibited Firearms, un-licensed possession, and more. As a Registered hand-gun, it can only be possessed, stored, transported, and so on in accordance with the restrictions of the Law, by a person with the proper licence and authorization. As an un-registered Prohib., you cannot own, transfer, or transport it at all, even to a gun-smith for alterations to make it non-Prohib.
Don't know enough about non-civilian PPKs to give a price (besides, clear pictures including all numbers and markings would be required). A general guess on a 12(6) might be around half a thousand bucks, but this should be 12(7) eligible for inheritance, which makes for a slightly better market.
It's a nifty looking and desireable piece, but unfortunately in Canada it is caught up in a bunch of complications.
The PPK in its original configuration will be Prohibited by barrel length (hand-gun under 105mm), known as 12(6.1) classification [or just 12(6)]. If the owner doesn't have 12(6) on his RPAL card, he cannot legally own it, and there is no way to get 12(6) status at this point in time. Such hand-guns produced prior to 1946 (World War II and earlier) can be inherited by direct family only (child, grand-child, spouse, or sibling), under Section 12(7) of the Firearms Act, so either your boss has a 12(6) PAL, or he might be eligible for one (under possession only).
Since the gun was property in the estate of the grand-father, if it was a legally owned gun it can be held by the executor of the estate for a reasonable time to arrange its disbursal, which will entail getting its papers in order (and a possible 12(7) heir licensed). If the gun was not registered under the current system, or the one which preceded it (green registration slips), the CFC won't consider it eligible to add as a new registration into their system of Prohibited fire-arms; if it comes to the attention of the Law, it will be confiscated.
Your boss should know that it is a highly controlled item, and the fact it was grandpa's old relic doesn't protect people from the many offences in the Criminal Code that deal with Prohibited Firearms, un-licensed possession, and more. As a Registered hand-gun, it can only be possessed, stored, transported, and so on in accordance with the restrictions of the Law, by a person with the proper licence and authorization. As an un-registered Prohib., you cannot own, transfer, or transport it at all, even to a gun-smith for alterations to make it non-Prohib.
Don't know enough about non-civilian PPKs to give a price (besides, clear pictures including all numbers and markings would be required). A general guess on a 12(6) might be around half a thousand bucks, but this should be 12(7) eligible for inheritance, which makes for a slightly better market.
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Okay, good that it's a Registered 12(6) gun. It's just fairly common for someone who just joined to ask questions about grandpa's gun from the basement, only to find out all the Prohibited stuff. What ‘records from the war’ would he be looking for? There was probably just a letter from his commander listing it as a vet bring-back; I doubt there was a biography of the enemy he captured it from (unless it was Göring).
I'm not clear on what he wants to know. I mean, Wikipedia has what appears to be a decent article on the pistol, and searching else-where will yield more details.
It is a PPK and not a PP? I believe you meant 7,65mm (which is .32ACP; a Prohibited calibre).
To evaluate a German military fire-arm, which are certainly collectible, one needs information on every part with a serial number, arsenal, depot, or inspection mark, to ascertain the date and place of manufacture, and whether the parts match. This is in addition to the over-all condition. Accessories (holster, another magazine even if un-matched) have value as well.
As a papered Prohib., it can be sold to other 12(6) holders, and as a pre-1946 one it can be passed on from them to their direct family as a 12(7) inheritance (even before death). This makes it more sellable, so you have 12(7) eligibility, WWII and German military history, it's a classic design, and the James Bond cachet all working in favour. I don't hold 12(6.1) so I don't really track prices.
You might find better expertise on the MilSurp forum here, where military collectors tend to gather.
I'm not clear on what he wants to know. I mean, Wikipedia has what appears to be a decent article on the pistol, and searching else-where will yield more details.
It is a PPK and not a PP? I believe you meant 7,65mm (which is .32ACP; a Prohibited calibre).
To evaluate a German military fire-arm, which are certainly collectible, one needs information on every part with a serial number, arsenal, depot, or inspection mark, to ascertain the date and place of manufacture, and whether the parts match. This is in addition to the over-all condition. Accessories (holster, another magazine even if un-matched) have value as well.
As a papered Prohib., it can be sold to other 12(6) holders, and as a pre-1946 one it can be passed on from them to their direct family as a 12(7) inheritance (even before death). This makes it more sellable, so you have 12(7) eligibility, WWII and German military history, it's a classic design, and the James Bond cachet all working in favour. I don't hold 12(6.1) so I don't really track prices.
You might find better expertise on the MilSurp forum here, where military collectors tend to gather.
I believe there's a walther forum that has details of the proofmarks and production years or links to other sources. I located the info when I was looking for history on mine.
Various police forces that supported the Nazi regime and units of the German Army used the PPK as a sidearm. The proofmarks will help define where yours may have been used. The "eagle over swatika" is a typical PPK proofmark
Various police forces that supported the Nazi regime and units of the German Army used the PPK as a sidearm. The proofmarks will help define where yours may have been used. The "eagle over swatika" is a typical PPK proofmark
Pre-war proofmark was Crown over N
Wartime / Nazi proof was Eagle over Swastika
Serial number (first three digits) and any additional markings besides the proof (front strap, and below / around trigger guard) will better help place this piece. While Waltherforums.com and others would love to hear about it, everybody wants to see a picture.
You can take the slide off by taking out the magazine and pulling down the trigger guard, then pulling the slide all the way back and up, gently letting it forward (all the while holding down the trigger guard). Check for engraving inside the slide, some pistols will have the last few digits of their serial number engraved inside, which tells another story. Are the magazines marked? And, is the slide serial numbered, and where?
You can find these things out without pictures and repost here, I'm sure we'll figure it out from all that!
These are neat little pistols. Others have touched on 12(7), meaning your boss's blood relatives (mother, father, sister, brother, wife, son, daughter) are eligible to receive this pre-46 piece. Nephews and nieces only if mom or dad are still alive, depending on the CFO of your province, they can sometimes be reasonable. Recipient just needs their R-PAL and gets a 12(6) for that pistol only, and can in turn pass it on (or sell it) as they see fit.
Sight unseen, hard to guess at a value. Condition is everything, these sell for between $200 and $2000 depending on rarity and condition. An RZM PPK engraved with SS markings, and legitimate, your boss could see the high end. "PM me" = "I would like to quietly arrange to buy this without any competition". Ha ha ha. Tell your boss NEVER to sell this, since his kids can have a priceless family heirloom.
And let us know about the other markings, serial (do 379###, nobody needs to know the whole thing) etc.
Wartime / Nazi proof was Eagle over Swastika
Serial number (first three digits) and any additional markings besides the proof (front strap, and below / around trigger guard) will better help place this piece. While Waltherforums.com and others would love to hear about it, everybody wants to see a picture.
You can take the slide off by taking out the magazine and pulling down the trigger guard, then pulling the slide all the way back and up, gently letting it forward (all the while holding down the trigger guard). Check for engraving inside the slide, some pistols will have the last few digits of their serial number engraved inside, which tells another story. Are the magazines marked? And, is the slide serial numbered, and where?
You can find these things out without pictures and repost here, I'm sure we'll figure it out from all that!
These are neat little pistols. Others have touched on 12(7), meaning your boss's blood relatives (mother, father, sister, brother, wife, son, daughter) are eligible to receive this pre-46 piece. Nephews and nieces only if mom or dad are still alive, depending on the CFO of your province, they can sometimes be reasonable. Recipient just needs their R-PAL and gets a 12(6) for that pistol only, and can in turn pass it on (or sell it) as they see fit.
Sight unseen, hard to guess at a value. Condition is everything, these sell for between $200 and $2000 depending on rarity and condition. An RZM PPK engraved with SS markings, and legitimate, your boss could see the high end. "PM me" = "I would like to quietly arrange to buy this without any competition". Ha ha ha. Tell your boss NEVER to sell this, since his kids can have a priceless family heirloom.
And let us know about the other markings, serial (do 379###, nobody needs to know the whole thing) etc.
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2 days! rob you are slower than usual getting into a walther thread lol
