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im surprising to read some comments on some that will get their m10x whatever the cost will be on wanstall .... seems the story is no m10x unless you pay 1999 plus tax and shipping ...

Tremor you are the only one that put your words where you are. thank you for the feedback hope it will stay like that. that is a non honoured deal ...
 
Suther said:
Chances are NS wouldn't allow that. Make them sign something that says they can't sell below $###X. Im pretty sure glock does that, in fact.
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Vortex too.
They needed to take the sting out. I don't think they did. People were excited to get this rifle. So much that they were willing to look past the D-bags making it. Right to the end even.
At this point, I'd say m+m are winning. people will still buy. Unfortunately, maybe not from Wanstalls.
I'm washing my hands of this rifle and m+m as I'm sure most will.
 
HirvGotti said:
Yes I don't disagree, I'm just annoyed more than anything. I thought it was safe to do some shopping once we were told to rest easy and were assured our preorders were secure. I took Wanstalls word and it bit me, oh well live and learn I suppose.
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same here, they said rest easy fellows we will honor our price and you are getting a pretty cool rifle soon

well i went ahead and bought some mags

now they say nope we wont do that...

thats not fair practice, sorry, thats used car salesman tactics and I’m done, give me my money back, you are dead to me.
 
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twistedbrilliance said:
I say a boycott of M+M for screwing us with a NR black Rifle tax is in order.
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Nice thought.

Too many gun nutz have this terrible affliction/ obsession called "new nonrestricted-itice". It comes over them in ocd waves. Coupled with the compulsion to buy accessories and ammo well before buying the gun; this affliction can sometimes end in EE ads.
 
mikethebike said:
same here, they said rest easy fellows we will honor our price and you are getting a pretty cool rifle soon

well i went ahead and bought some mags

now they say nope we wont do that...

thats not fair practice, sorry, thats used car salesman tactics and I’m done, give me my money back, you are dead to me.
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M+M also reassured everyone that they'd get their pre order price...
 
Suther said:
Chances are NS wouldn't allow that. Make them sign something that says they can't sell below $###X. Im pretty sure glock does that, in fact.
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Oh, I don't know about that. I think that NS might have seen fit to help out one of their retailers who mistakenly stepped in it. Especially if it were for a fixed, relatively small number of rifles required to fill the Wanstalls pre-order. Hard to say without knowing all of the forces at play and who has really done what to whom. The stuff that we'll never know, in other words. It might have happened, but certainly won't now....
 
mikethebike said:
same here, they said rest easy fellows we will honor our price and you are getting a pretty cool rifle soon

well i went ahead and bought some mags

now they say nope we wont do that...

thats not fair practice, sorry, thats used car salesman tactics and I’m done, give me my money back, you are dead to me.
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unhappy? EE negative feedback is a good way to inform all of us about the way wanstalls conducting business ...
 
CyprusTM said:
Well never know the truth, Wanstall ####ed up by rushing with the pre order. I believe now M+M probably told them to take a loss and honour the pre order they rushed to put out, and they Wanstall refused to take any kind of a loss. The put all the blame solely on M+M.

It seemes everyone is getting the same email, i just received mine same bull crap. As if id be interested in giving them any money with them not even be able to offer a apology, not to speak of a discount on something. They'll turn in 6 month time and sell the rifles, as they do buy #### from North Sylva, and will not risk anything out of principle. Were they hopping M+M gives them a discount so they can honor the presale and make both the dealer and the manufacturer look good, i guess they were wrong, Mikey Mouse is more greedy than they thought :D.
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Well the price is set to us at 2k. Wonder what NS is paying. My point being, Wanstalls is a little hole in the wall shop. Every dealer gets ripped here time to time. IRG, NS, Canam, and most often until they left/punted...Marstar.

I can't ever recall anyone saying anything bad about Wanstalls, or their customer service. If they took 100 pre orders, that's having $25K in their general account. Most will take the refund, early next week is reasonable.

Just to throw that same $250 per out their. Who thinks it reasonable for them to eat $25K, when it sounds like they did nothing wrong.
 
nowarningshot said:
Well the price is set to us at 2k. Wonder what NS is paying. My point being, Wanstalls is a little hole in the wall shop. Every dealer gets ripped here time to time. IRG, NS, Canam, and most often until they left/punted...Marstar.

I can't ever recall anyone saying anything bad about Wanstalls, or their customer service. If they took 100 pre orders, that's having $25K in their general account. Most will take the refund, early next week is reasonable.

Just to throw that same $250 per out their. Who thinks it reasonable for them to eat $25K, when it sounds like they did nothing wrong.
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They did noting wrong? 1. they started a pre-order without talking to the actual manufacturer, or having any actual document stating pricing or what they were going to get the rifles for. 2. they promised to honor the pre order price, only to go back on their word and lay the blame solely on Mickey Mouse 3. They thought they jump on it before CanAm did and it turned into a #### show. And in came NorthSylva and ####ed them all and offered Mickey Mouse what they wanted, more money for exclusive distributorship, as north sylva has no problem gouging us. Mikey Mouse played the Canadian dealers against each other and in the end we the ones that put a pre order got ####ed, and so did all the others that were hoping to purchase one maybe not at 1450 but at max 1600.
 
nowarningshot said:
Well the price is set to us at 2k. Wonder what NS is paying. My point being, Wanstalls is a little hole in the wall shop. Every dealer gets ripped here time to time. IRG, NS, Canam, and most often until they left/punted...Marstar.

I can't ever recall anyone saying anything bad about Wanstalls, or their customer service. If they took 100 pre orders, that's having $25K in their general account. Most will take the refund, early next week is reasonable.

Just to throw that same $250 per out their. Who thinks it reasonable for them to eat $25K, when it sounds like they did nothing wrong.
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Wanstall, don't secured rifle before sold them, not hard to understand.
 
What I was trying to say. Wanstalls has a stellar reputation, why would they go all Marstar on us? I believe....but have no proof....that they had a agreement, at least verbally. MM has set prices, and will not give them rifles to sell on the Kanadian market at a discounted price.

Therefore the only options are the ones they offered. It's a small shop, at say $200 loss/rifle x even 100.....that's $20k. They don't have it....even if they did.....and could get the rifles(which they can't) MM couldn't allow it. Great PR for Wanstalls...pricey....but it sets a expectation in the market of $1450. MM can't have that, NS would sue them in turn.

Speculation, but I don't think I'm far wrong. Like I said on another thread, IMO, they are overpriced at Wanstalls price....I'm out.
 
nowarningshot said:
What I was trying to say. Wanstalls has a stellar reputation, why would they go all Marstar on us? I believe....but have no proof....that they had a agreement, at least verbally. MM has set prices, and will not give them rifles to sell on the Kanadian market at a discounted price.

Therefore the only options are the ones they offered. It's a small shop, at say $200 loss/rifle x even 100.....that's $20k. They don't have it....even if they did.....and could get the rifles(which they can't) MM couldn't allow it. Great PR for Wanstalls...pricey....but it sets a expectation in the market of $1450. MM can't have that, NS would sue them in turn.

Speculation, but I don't think I'm far wrong. Like I said on another thread, IMO, they are overpriced at Wanstalls price....I'm out.
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But to some people, the fact they acted on a verbal agreement, and didn't have a written contract or whatever, it's wanstalls fault.

My guess would be verbal agreements are common place, but I'm not in the gun industry so I'm not sure.
 
hbean said:
This certainly isn't the first time Wanstall jumped in and offered a brand new rifle based on the MSRP listed on a company's website, but this is the first time a company turned around and said "Oh no, the MSRP is only good for U.S., you Canadians will have to pay much more".
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Thats a nice theory. My theory is that there was a big misunderstanding on the exchange rate: they were posting the USA price by mistake. They were quoted a US dealer price, thought it was CDN $$$ and posted the presale in CDN dollars.

At this point if they were smart they would have stuck to their word and take a loss. Instead they are playing the 'short game'. Whoever is reponsible at Wanstalls should probably be sent packing. Unless its the owner I guess.

Why M&M would tell wanstalls they would supply them with rifles and then reneg, who knows? Maybe they didnt. Canam seemed to get the short end of the stick on this one.

All people want is for folks to do what they said they would do, they are right to be pissed.
 
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