Want to be a gunsmith?

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In view of some controversial posts in "Off-Topic" recently, it is becoming very apparent to me that we sorely need more new gunsmiths in this country. I have trained promising apprentices only to lose them partway through to large machine shops with great benefit packages. It is disheartening, but for a young man with plans of starting a family, for instance, that is a hard option to resist, no matter how much you love guns :)

What to do? Try to encourage talented, enthusiastic people to have a go at gunsmithing (especially pistolsmithing, which is totally what I do). Is it satisfying to make something work? To watch a customer's face when he handles his new custom gun? To get the "Wow! I can't believe it!" email? Of course it is! Can you make a good living at it? Yes - maybe not for the first year, but after that, you're either going to do well at it, or realize possibly you should be selling vacuum cleaners :) Long-term, if you get into it in your twenties, the sky's the limit. If you're recently retired at 50 or so, have the machining and mechanical aptitude, and love guns, why not give it a try? You'd have, after all, probably 20 years....

What is needed? First, you gotta really be into guns, otherwise...
Second, you do need some machining and mechanical background AND aptitude. I find it easy to train someone to do good work if he (or she:) can recognize good work as opposed to mediocre stuff. If they can't really tell the difference, go sell vacuum cleaners! Third, you need either someone to take you on and train you, or a good place to do the gunsmithing and train yourself. Start with your own stuff, or your buddy's :) Nothing wrong with a good heated garage as long as you can get a business licence from your town or city as a home based business (that's needed in order to get the Fireams Licence you need to have other peoples' guns there). Fourth, you need tools and machinery. Good heavy duty USED lathes and milling machines beat the hell out of light, inappropriate new ones, especially the do-it-all 3-in-one etc. units. Yes, you can do decent work on almost anything, but a good sturdy unit is much less frustrating, especially if you're basically learning as you go.

A drill press and bench grinder need not break the bank. Upgrade as you get more money :)

For hand tools there are a few basic hammers, punches, good screwdriver sets with a LOT of bits you can grind to size and shape as needed, and then all the drill bits, a good number drill set, reamers (buy them as you need them - they're darn pricy), a good tap and die set, plus a few of the specialized taps etc. from brownells such as 6-40, 6-48, that you can't get locally.

$20,000 is a darn good start, $10,000 is doable if you scrimp a little.

What can you expect to make about a year down the road? $50 an hour for good work, I currently charge $60 and going to $70 March 1st ,but bear in mind you may in some instances work for three hours the first time you are inside a Luger, in order to make that hour's wage :)

Benefit package, RSP's, etc. ? Nope! Having a spouse with medical/dental etc. sure does help!
I'll be back at this subject, but I'll close with a piece of advice: Specialize!! Whether it's 1911's like me, or Lugers, Mauser rifles, Browning High Powers....hey, AR's are hot! work on guns you REALLY like, get to know them better than anyone else, and the world will beat a path to your door :)


Gunnar

www.armco-guns.com
 
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This is the first pro-gunsmith post I've seen on here! It's nice to see someone who doesn't think it's a no-win venture.
 
This may sound crazy to some. But considering the severe labour shortage in Canada, I have often thought of importing a gunsmith. There are rich traditions of gunsmithing in places like India, Pakistan, Turkey, etc. If these people have special skills they are put at the head of the line for immigration.
 
I would love to get into gun smithing,If i thought the demand was there.I couldn't see it being more that a part time thing,large in part to our repressive Kanadian gun laws which in my opinion discourage any interest in shooting.
It's a shame really.
 
This thread brings to mind something that's been on my mind lately. No offense to Gunnar and the other gunsmiths, but you guys aren't really spring chickens. With the amount of talent in any workplace or skilled trade nowadays retiring, a lot is being lost. Most of the highly knowledgeable 'wizards' of the industry aging, I don't see too many filling their place. I am not sure if most gunsmiths started in their 20's, but I think gunsmithing is a lifelong art. It's a craft, and a highly skilled one that requires intimate knowledge of a huge array of manufacturers. Add dealing with the public on top of that, and I can see a huge expectation of professionalism when handing over a $1500 gun, or a priceless heirloom. Add unfair, unjustified, and ill-conceived gun laws in this situation, and the picture doesn't look well for future gunsmiths.
I guess my point is, I think talented gunsmithing is going to be very hard to find in the coming years. I hope that fellow 'nutz recruit more into our sport, and embark on more projects, keeping a demand for gunsmiths, thereby passing on knowledge that is handed down from master to apprentice.
 
All I want is someone to show me.... I can deal with the machining part of it no problems at all. I already have more than anough tools to do the trade, just need a lathe and a business licence then I'm off.... You had to be in BC and me in quebec.... damn....Any Montreal gunsmiths willing to take a part time apprentice( ya I have to work full time to feed the addictions)?
 
Gunnar, your post is encouraging. Thanks to CGN, I have started an online gunsmithing program and got myself a gun shop for extra spending $$. Starting with cleaning/maintaining rifles first and hope get into the more serious stuff. Prior to join CGN, to me a rifle was just another rifle other than appearance and calibre. I learnt a great deal about firearm here and getting more interested.
 
I built my first stock 69 years ago and since then have learned quite a bit. Would like to pass on some of this before I expire. Have had several young men in the shop and most of them are willing to spend at least three evenings to learn everthing I know. By the way, I never made aliving working on guns but it's a great hobby.
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Maqaiti said:
Gunnar, your post is encouraging. Thanks to CGN, I have started an online gunsmithing program and got myself a gun shop for extra spending $$. Starting with cleaning/maintaining rifles first and hope get into the more serious stuff. Prior to join CGN, to me a rifle was just another rifle other than appearance and calibre. I learnt a great deal about firearm here and getting more interested.

What online program did you enroll in? How do you find it?
 
Great responses, guys! I'd like to address the concerns that gunsmithing doesn't have a long-term future because of repressive gun laws (present and possibly future). I am an optimist on the subject! I have at 63 years of age seen a lot of differerent gun laws, and if we're talking handguns (I always do :), we have it better now than 30 years ago. Handgun sales have - at least for me - been steadily increasing and that tells me they'll be around for a while. I realize that the corner gun shop with the guy checkering stocks in the back may have closed down and everybody blames the repressive gun laws, but that's defeatist. The market has changed, with the internet being the biggest influence. Fred's gun shop did not close down because of in his words "those dam new gun laws". It closed down because Fred was reluctant to get with the program and market the old double shotguns he loved to a wider audience. Or attract people from 1000 miles away with a nice web page showing his work. People now shop on their computers before they even think about heading to Fred's Gun shop (or more likely, Wholesale Sports, or... :)

Almost everything I work on is shipped to me. This is a good thing! Means I am not dependent on a local market that may be in a slump. If someone in Prince George can't afford my work, someone somewhere else sure can!

I forgot one important piece of information in my previous post (I am 63, after all...) and that is something we can all, in any business, use: some training in marketing! You can be the best in the world at what you do, but you need to market it. Not necessarily in the newspaper or on your computer, either.

I am reminded of an old (hell, older than me) incredibly talented gunsmith/engineer with European training, who put together a wonderful shop in my town a few years ago. In an industrial neighbourhood, he had laser boresighting stuff before anyone else had thought of it, his equipment was pretty darn nice. He opened up, placed a few ads, and settled in to wait for the customers to arrive. I dropped in a few times and we shot the breeze. "what are you doing sunday?" I said. Oh, I'll be here, he replied, in case someone shows up...
He was a wizard with fancy European and English rifles, doubles, Drillings, and no one got to see what he could do. He was eventually reduced to sleeping in the back of the shop, and one day I again tried to persuade him to come to the range with me. Bring that rifle, I said, we'll find someone shooting, and let's let him try it. Show someone what you can build, and the word will spread.

No, someone might come and I won't be here, he replied.

Six months later he was gone.

I have lost track of the number of times I have been at the range, and offered someone one of my guns to try. Mean bastard, aren't I?? Marketing? You bet!

I don't consider myself a really Computer literate guy, but I learned to run a website. Guys who didn't, well....

The future of gunsmithing is really what you make it. AND if they finally take away all the guns (won't happen), you can switch pretty fast to being the best dam locksmith around :)

Best regards
Gunnar
www.armco-guns.com
 
Those are good points about marketing yourself, Gunnar.
I have offered my Gunsmithing article (link in sigline below) to the new CSSA magazine for publication. I intend to update it, and change it around a bit, and I will likely include some of the good points you raised.

BTW, have you read mine? I am always interested in feed back from those that are in the trade full time.
 
Gunnar, your website is a fine example of "basic but efficient". You update it frequently, there are photos to browse and your description of each firearm makes the reader drool...
 
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