Want To Replace Trigger In My LMT MWS....

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Hey all.

Have an LMT MWS in 308 and want to replace the trigger in it after a crummy range session. Couldn't do well with the groups with factory trigger.

Its only gonna be used for range trips as a precision type rifle.

What do you guy recommend?

Do AR15 triggers work in this rifle? Or AR10 type triggers?
 
Max Owner said:
Hey all.

Have an LMT MWS in 308 and want to replace the trigger in it after a crummy range session. Couldn't do well with the groups with factory trigger.

Its only gonna be used for range trips as a precision type rifle.

What do you guy recommend?

Do AR15 triggers work in this rifle? Or AR10 type triggers?
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I have a Geisselle match flat trigger set in my MWS and it functions 100%. It is just a plain Jane Geisselle AR15 trigger - nothing special but it works just fine.
 
I have a Geissele SSA in my Colt 901, I had to get longer pins from Geissele, however IIRC, if that was really needed? What about a Trigger Tech? there 700 triggers are well received.
 
OK, I have the SSA, its a very nice trigger, very light, breaks clean. I don't have any experience with Trigger Tech AR triggers, however there REM triggers are good to go. What you might do is see what's available first? and go from there? While there maybe something better it may be cost prohibitive? My next build will be a REM 700 300WM and I'll be using a Trigger Tech, easy to get and adjust and the price is right. Don't try to overthink this? you can't go wrong with a Geissele that's for sure.

However if something "used" came up I would certainly entertain that trigger if the price was right.

I run ALG triggers in my AR's, pretty inexpensive ( I didn't use the word cheap specifically, because they are not) with the lighter spring they break at 5.5lbs, solid reset and great for CQB etc. Maybe try one?
 
I also have a Trigger Tech in an AR15 of mine and they are a fine choice. The advantage of the Trigger Tech and Timney over the Geisselle is that the former are cassette-type trigger sets where the trigger, disconnector and hammer are all pre-fit in an outer housing so that there is nothing to assemble. All you need do is drop the complete cassette into your empty lower receiver, then use the Tigger pins to secure the cassette in the lower using the existing holes. Very simple and easy, rather than struggling with springs, loose parts and tight pins as you must do with the Geisselle. Installing a loose trigger mechanism can be a bit daunting your first few times...

The other nice things about the Trigger Tech are that they are easy to adjust the trigger pull weight on, and they are made in Canada. Geisselle triggers are not adjustable - you get what you get (which is usually plenty good, also). The adustment on the TT trigger is easily done with a hex wrench after it is installed. There are even click adjustments to help guide you. Very nice, and competitively priced ( about $100 less than Geisseĺle).

Best of luck, let us know how it turns out!
 
Bartok5 said:
I also have a Trigger Tech in an AR15 of mine and they are a fine choice. The advantage of the Trigger Tech and Timney over the Geisselle is that the former are cassette-type trigger sets where the trigger, disconnector and hammer are all pre-fit in an outer housing so that there is nothing to assemble. All you need do is drop the complete cassette into your empty lower receiver, then use the Tigger pins to secure the cassette in the lower using the existing holes. Very simple and easy, rather than struggling with springs, loose parts and tight pins as you must do with the Geisselle. Installing a loose trigger mechanism can be a bit daunting your first few times...

The other nice things about the Trigger Tech are that they are easy to adjust the trigger pull weight on, and they are made in Canada. Geisselle triggers are not adjustable - you get what you get (which is usually plenty good, also). The adustment on the TT trigger is easily done with a hex wrench after it is installed. There are even click adjustments to help guide you. Very nice, and competitively priced ( about $100 less than Geisseĺle).

Best of luck, let us know how it turns out!
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This ^^^^

If you are installing it yourself then the TT seems to be the easiest, the Geissele isn't really "hard" if you use the supplied "slave" pin.
I don't know how much I'd adjust an AR trigger, unless your really going for a long range rig? but that said, the TT gives you that option.

Also hearing from a "real end user" is the best advice you can get, well worth listening too IMO.
Cheers
 
Curious as to why you needed to change the trigger in your MWS? It’s s two stage that is likely the exact same as the KAC. Considering the lower is made by Knights and the parts look identical. Plus the two stage in my LMT MWS feels exactly the same as the one in my SR 25 ECR. Both seem very good and I won’t be changing them.

Second hand with the factory trigger scavenged out of it?

Also you should know that with AR rifles, specifically with AR308 rifles the lock time is the biggest hurdle you need to overcome for precision shooting. It’s why follow through is so important. The Giesselle triggers currently have the fastest lock time and cuts most factory AR trigger lock times in half.

I have been looking at a trigger tech for a possible bcl 102 replacement. However I couldn’t find their lock times. Because of this I don’t know if they would be decent for your use. The giessele would be the safe bet.

Which barrel and rounds are you using in your MWS.
 
I bought it new.

16" stainless barrel is 308. Rifle was sighted in with Hornady Steel Match 155 grain. But gonna switch over to Federal Gold Match in 168. May try 175 as I have allot of it, too.

Trigger seems to be for more of a field use application. Thinking further out I get with the rifle it would be a "tougher" squeeze.
 
Max Owner said:
I bought it new.

16" stainless barrel is 308. Rifle was sighted in with Hornady Steel Match 155 grain. But gonna switch over to Federal Gold Match in 168. May try 175 as I have allot of it, too.

Trigger seems to be for more of a field use application. Thinking further out I get with the rifle it would be a "tougher" squeeze.
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That's a nice rifle!

The trigger weight is 4.5 pounds. The same as the KAC (again I suspect it's the exact same trigger). Some people are more sensitive to the trigger weight than others. For me, I find anything under 5 pounds as long as it's smooth and breaks clean works fine for me. Lighter is easier, but it doesn't necessarily give me better groups. I suspect I get lazy with lighter triggers and focus less on the follow through.

Now... you could replace the LMT with a $400 trigger. But likely it's the weight that is bothering you. A $15 JP 3.5 pound trigger spring kit (likely closer to 3 pounds with LMT trigger) will probably cure what you don't like about the trigger. I suspect with the lighter spring set that you would find it very close to the Giesselle trigger. Might be worth a try first. I should also add that the factory triggers are designed to work with M118LR ammunition. With lightening things up (hammer spring mostly) you run the risk of Nato ammo or surplus not working properly. Likely not a concern, but worth noting.
 
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When I had my LMT MWS I installed the Geissele National Match DMR trigger. It was night and day better than the stock trigger. I have no experience with the Trigger Tech models but see good reviews.

Cheers.
 
Thanx guys.

Just pulled the MWS out and re acquainted myself with it. Then tried a Savage with Accu Trigger vintage 2005 and my Cadex with the two stage trigger lightened as much as I could get it.

My best opinion is the Savage is the best. Then the Cadex. Then the MWS.

Kinda hold my head in shame at the Savage claim......f:P:
 
TFunfer said:
When I had my LMT MWS I installed the Geissele National Match DMR trigger. It was night and day better than the stock trigger.
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I suspect it is due to either you or the factory setting the last stage as quite light and the first stage was heavier in take up?

As mentioned comparing the Knight’s SR-25 and MWS triggers...they are the same animal.
They are very good triggers in their own right.

Comparing the total weighted pull, all three measure about the same (4.5lbs)
 
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