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conor_90 said:
Genuinely asking

What differentiates the 1900 from other 2 lug pushfeeds in terms of design that has so many so enthusiastic about it?
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This action has many features that endear it to its owners. Your best source--if you want to learn more about it--is Stuart Otteson's book The Bolt Action, Vol II. The action is discussed in Chapter 12, "Carl Gustaf." Otteson, who is an engineer, gives an in-depth examination of all aspects of this action. I think the thing that stands out most about this action with owners is its wonderful operating characteristics. Otteson writes:

"The sum effect of these two features [discussed in the previous paragraph] makes possible a smooth and non-binding bolt operation without excessively close-fitting parts. Consequently, this Swedish product is easily one of the smoothest and freest working bolt actions ever to appear on the market."

In his summary of the action, Otteson writes:

"...it was overall a refreshingly sound and well-balanced action, crisp and uncluttered, and embodying consummate good taste. It exuded precision and workmanship and functioned with a smoothness rare in modern rifles."

Although it is a 2-lug action, the fashioning of the locking lugs in a dovetail pattern and geometry of the interior of the receiver produced a shorter than normal bolt lift--80°. It's also a relatively light action, weighing only 39.7 oz., and so can result in a light-weight rifle.

So that's some of it. If you can get your hands on a copy of Otteson's books (Vol. I is available too), you'll learn about all aspects of this action. I highly recommend the two volumes of The Bolt Action to anyone who really wants to understand bolt actions. A total of 33 actions are covered in the two volumes, along with some appendix material that is useful in understanding how these actions work.
 
jerrya said:
I assume they have a better trigger than the 1900's. lol Oh how I wish someone made a decent trigger for the old 1900 huskys/gustafs
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It’s the first time ever that I hear this opinion. Did you mean 1600?




conor_90 said:
Genuinely asking

What differentiates the 1900 from other 2 lug pushfeeds in terms of design that has so many so enthusiastic about it?
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That’s a big topic since it’s one of the most widely used actions in Europe. Theres a variant for everybody.

There is nothing magic about it, it’s just well done. People go nuts over the T3 too, which is a very well made but basic 2 lug push feed action. The 1900 action is like a T3 action with less cost cutting.
 
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South Pender said:
You may be right about VO Vapen using Zoli actions (at least for the long-action rifles), although the bottom metal on the VO Vapen rifles is obviously not Zoli's. In addition, VO Vapen advertise a VO Short Action used on the lighter-weight VO Huntress, designed for women, and so this would seem to indicate that they may make their own actions these days, since, as far as I know, Zoli provide only the one (long) action length. One thing I wonder about is their barrels. Any idea of where those come from? I think it's highly doubtful that VO Vapen make their own barrels, and I suspect that they don’t use Zoli barrels. The latter are not necessarily of poor quality, but given the following from the VO Vapen website:

"To reach the highest precision possible, they [the VO Vapen barrels] have all been thoroughly tested at our own state-of-the-art shooting gallery at VO Faktori",

along with the $50,000 USD price tag, it's hard to imagine them not reaching out to a top-quality barrel-maker. I wonder whether that might be Schultz & Larsen, who are noted for top-quality single-point cut rifled (and lapped) barrels. Schultz & Larsen was at one time owned by Jørgen Nielsen who was a colleague of Viggo Olsson when they were both associated with Viking Arms.
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Yes, they make actions and they do make their own bottom metal. Viking arms had a very complicated history, made of internal disputes and betrayal... as for the VO Vapen barrels, they are said to use several manufacturers and some say they also can make their own. It's all about the money one want to spend...

VO Vapen are not very vocal about their products, except to say it's the best. There is some kind of mystery surrounding the company and they cultivate it. And it seems they have very little time to waste or interest in making things clearer.
 
The 1900s are probably my favourite rifle, but I do not like the looks of that rifle. I can't afford it anyway but even if I could I wouldn't.
 
just well done. People go nuts over the T3 too, which is a very well made but basic 2 lug push feed action. The 1900 action is like a T3 action with less cost cutting
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I was tempted to make this comparison reading the description but afraid I would get strung up by the mob.

Without buying the book, what makes it worthy of the "award for best design". I don't see anything too out there

Honestly seems like a bit of an odd choice for building the "worlds most expensive gun" on
 
conor_90 said:
I was tempted to make this comparison reading the description but afraid I would get strung up by the mob.

Without buying the book, what makes it worthy of the "award for best design". I don't see anything too out there

Honestly seems like a bit of an odd choice for building the "worlds most expensive gun" on
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Most ultra expensive best grade rifles are probably built on Mauser actions.
In this case I bet they wanted to build the smoothest action possible.
 
SHELL SHUCKER said:
They never worked with a truely smooth action I reckon. :rolleyes:
https://www.guns.com/news/reviews/colt-sauer-bolt-action-rifle-review
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Yeah, the Colt-Sauer in your attachment (or Sauer 80 or 90 as they were known in Canada) was very smooth. I owned several years ago. Still, the extreme complexity of the bolt and trigger were serious flaws. The outward-camming locking lugs were not really a good idea, given the complexity of the bolt component, and were not immune to failing to spread fully if there was any grit or dirt in the action. The toggle trigger seemed to work OK, but was complex and again was inferior vis-à-vis adjustments to standard override triggers. Otteson was not too keen on them in his treatment. He wrote

“…it’s hard to conclude that any extra smoothness of bolt operation resulting from the retractable lug system could outweigh the loss of reliability inherent in its vastly greater complexity.”
 
South Pender said:
Yeah, the Colt-Sauer in your attachment (or Sauer 80 or 90 as they were known in Canada) was very smooth. I owned several years ago. Still, the extreme complexity of the bolt and trigger were serious flaws. The outward-camming locking lugs were not really a good idea, given the complexity of the bolt component, and were not immune to failing to spread fully if there was any grit or dirt in the action. The toggle trigger seemed to work OK, but was complex and again was inferior vis-à-vis adjustments to standard override triggers. Otteson was not too keen on them in his treatment. He wrote

“…it’s hard to conclude that any extra smoothness of bolt operation resulting from the retractable lug system could outweigh the loss of reliability inherent in its vastly greater complexity.”
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Ye be right on that as many folks that bought and used them did not have a proper knowledge of cleaning & maintaining any of their rifles, let alone
the finely built units with lots of interacting parts. They were sure sweet to use fer me though back in the 80's.
 
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