Want to try cast in 30-06

Curly1

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I would like to try cast bullets in my 30-06, but, I am not sure about what weight of bullet will work in my rifle. So befor I start ordering molds, I would like to try different bullets. Who sells small quanities like a sampler pak? I would like a gas checked bullets in 160, 174 and 210 grains that is between .310 and .311 in diameter.
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Curly1
 
Long bullets with lots of bearing surface tend to work better than short bullets or long bullets with short bearing surfaces. Ben makes a dandy 195 gr slug that works very well in the '06, and I previously had good luck with Lyman 311284 cast at 210 grs backed by SR 4759.
 
I've "fooled" around with cast bullets in 30 caliber rifles for more than 20 yrs. I have the following 30 cal moulds. Lyman 311467, 311299, 311291, 311284, 311413, 308329, 311041, RCBS 30-115-SP and Lee C312-155. My best sucess in 3006(03A3) has been with 311291 sized 311 and a midrange load of 2400. Under an inch at 50yds and never any leading. Water quenched WW with 2% tin added.
 
I had a Ruger #1 in 405win that I tried heavy cast bullets in (400gr Woodliegh) and a 38-55(255gr home made) that were loaded in the 1200 to 1400fps range. Compared to jacketed bullets that were lighter and loaded faster, the heavy, slower cast bullets shot better. I would like to try the same in the 06, a heavy bullet shot slow should deal with anything I may hunt in these parts and not tear me up. I think it may prove more accurate for me and being able to make my own projectiles appeals to me.
 
I would like to try cast bullets in my 30-06, but, I am not sure about what weight of bullet will work in my rifle. So befor I start ordering molds, I would like to try different bullets. Who sells small quanities like a sampler pak? I would like a gas checked bullets in 160, 174 and 210 grains that is between .310 and .311 in diameter.
Cheers
Curly1

In my Winchester made P17, Lyman 311334 Gc':dancingbanana:ed and cast hard was great!
 
I would like to try cast bullets in my 30-06, but, I am not sure about what weight of bullet will work in my rifle. So befor I start ordering molds, I would like to try different bullets. Who sells small quanities like a sampler pak? I would like a gas checked bullets in 160, 174 and 210 grains that is between .310 and .311 in diameter.
Cheers
Curly1

Any of those weights should work well in a 30-06.
Most likely the 210 grain will be the most accurate.
Gas check bullets are much better than flat base.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy a good 210, gas check mould and get making bullets.
 
for the 30-06 if you can find a mould in the 180 to 200 to 215g
you need a gas check for hunting velocity/pressure so don't get a plain base mold

work up a load when you do get it going and stop when you reach the sweet spot

start loads will have large groups and and as you increase velocity groups will get smaller as you get to the sweet spot and then will get larger fast

if you do get leading Stop some thing is wrong

I have a rifle I shoot (308) have over 400 plus rounds cast shot in it and no leading and still have not cleaned it (waiting for groups to open up --or another sign) i used to clean after every 50 rounds (with just a patch and some hopps)

home cast 310 dia with GC/ home made lube
made from WW air cooled with a bit of tin added (lead free solder)
 
I really hate to say anything against a very popular opinion, but this so called "sweet spot," is the most over used, mostly meaningless, phrase on these threads.
In developing loads in your bolt action bottle neck cartridges, using cast bullets, your top loading is governed by how much pressure your cast bullet can stand. Load too much pressure behind it and it will actually blow a rut in the bullet, the length of the bullet and let pressure escape, even with a gas check bullet. The rut down the length of the bullet will be at least half, or slightly larger, than the wood in a kitchen match. When this happens, the bullet, of course, will be a large flyer, like a foot or so, at a hundred yards.
I am not guessing at the information above. Nor did I read about it, or has anyone told me about it.
The above information comes from my own experience. I was the only shooter one winter, shooting cast bullets at the range. In the spring I could pick up my bullets, most of which were completely unharmed from hitting, because they were stopped by the snow and could be carefully examined.
I found several with this rut cut through them, which would obviously be the wild flyers I experienced.
Other bullets, loaded too high, but not enough to blow the rut in them, had slipped a bit in the rifling. I took it that these bullets would come from using a bit too much fast powder, started too rapidly. Probably one reason some of my most accutate loads was with the super slow, H4831 powder.
The most accurate loads in the rifle would be those loads that were as heavy as they could be, without damaging the bullet.
 
...Other bullets, loaded too high, but not enough to blow the rut in them, had slipped a bit in the rifling. I took it that these bullets would come from using a bit too much fast powder, started too rapidly. Probably one reason some of my most accutate loads was with the super slow, H4831 powder.
The most accurate loads in the rifle would be those loads that were as heavy as they could be, without damaging the bullet.

What lead alloy did you use (% antimony and % tin)?

Air cooled, heat treated or water quenched?

I am really curious and studying as much as I can about cast 30-06 bullets as I just got a nice sporter P17 Remington.
 
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As usual Bruce is correct, if your cast loads aren't doing what you like, try a much slower burning powder.....My cat. of .30 cal. molds for rifles that i use is:#301-160 Miller Paper Patch, 301-200 Miller PP, 311367 118 gr., 311041,Saeco 315, 311335, 311467, 311365, 311644,311332,LBT 310-160, LBT310-200, 314299, CBE 317299,311284, Eagan MX30-Ard,,there are more, I just have to update my catalogue and are shown here just for folks info. on what I have tried. Funny but each of my .30 cal. bench guns show a very diff. preference in cast bullets...
 
The 30-06 I want to play with has a 1 in 10 twist 22 inch barrel. The barrel was slugged and it was suggested a ..310 or .311 diameter bullet. The only issue is the weight of bullet and to avoid a large inventory of molds, I would like to buy sample of various weight bullets to test. Anybody know a vendor who sells sampler paks?
 
Bruce's observations concerning loading cast bullets with H-4831 in the .30/06, supports what I have come to believe as well. I've actually had some success with Winchester 760 in a long barreled .30/30 behind Ben's 195s. While I can't verify it from my loading with cast because I don't do enough of it, I believe that slow burning powder produces the highest velocity possible with a cast bullet, which would seem to be backed up by Bruce's observations. In other words, where fast powders cause damage to the cast bullet, a slow burning propellant can drive them a little faster without similar damage. Hmmm, maybe I can find a use for that pound of Retumbo.
 
I don't see much I could add. 311284 and 311299 are both good performers in 30 - 06 as is 31141, which with its flat nose might be a better hunting bullet - weighs about 178gr in 20:1 lead and tin. It's also worth your time to look at Cast Bullet Engineering's line, some of their .303 Brit bullets do very well. Have a look at Jeffinewzealand's posts on Cast Boolits' site.
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I really hate to say anything against a very popular opinion, but this so called "sweet spot," is the most over used, mostly meaningless, phrase on these threads.
In developing loads in your bolt action bottle neck cartridges, using cast bullets, your top loading is governed by how much pressure your cast bullet can stand. Load too much pressure behind it and it will actually blow a rut in the bullet, the length of the bullet and let pressure escape, even with a gas check bullet. The rut down the length of the bullet will be at least half, or slightly larger, than the wood in a kitchen match. When this happens, the bullet, of course, will be a large flyer, like a foot or so, at a hundred yards.
I am not guessing at the information above. Nor did I read about it, or has anyone told me about it.
The above information comes from my own experience. I was the only shooter one winter, shooting cast bullets at the range. In the spring I could pick up my bullets, most of which were completely unharmed from hitting, because they were stopped by the snow and could be carefully examined.
I found several with this rut cut through them, which would obviously be the wild flyers I experienced.
Other bullets, loaded too high, but not enough to blow the rut in them, had slipped a bit in the rifling. I took it that these bullets would come from using a bit too much fast powder, started too rapidly. Probably one reason some of my most accutate loads was with the super slow, H4831 powder.
The most accurate loads in the rifle would be those loads that were as heavy as they could be, without damaging the bullet.

Glad to hear the voice of experience supporting slow powder behind cast bullets. I use fairly slow powder, and get pretty good results.
 
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